I understand the generals concern..

But how about the general telling the jihadist’s, crusaders, and potential martyrs i.e terrorists that our soldiers will use that very scope with the bible verse they find so offensive to put a 7.62 through their skull therefore allowing them to immediately speak to Allah and aid in introducing them to their 72 virgins.

A small footnote: “Southern Cross,” is a constellation and a song performed by Crosby, Stills and Nash written by Rick and Tom Curtis, Rick is now deceased and former Vietnam Veteran. Rick had mentioned his inspiration for the song came from navigating, using this constellation as his bearing.

The Latin cross (crux ordinaria) is a symbol of Christianity even though it was used as a pagan symbol for millennia before the foundation of the Christian Church. It is only one symbol of many.

Jihadist’s are always looking for a ways to reinvent the crusades and to recruit martyr’s. This is the issue the General is concerned about.

In closing, I have several friends who belong to the church of the single malt.

http://mssparky.com/2010/01/firm-will-remove-bible-references-from-gun-sights/

On Thursday, however, Army Gen. David Petraeus, Central Command’s top officer, called the practice “disturbing.”

“This is a serious concern to me and the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan,” Petraeus told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

Maybe Sparky Hater should email General Patraeus and tell him he’s talking out his A$$.

We (The U.S.) needs to learn from Australia

Check this out.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia Law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir Apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular State, and its laws were made by parliament.
“If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia Law or a theocratic State, then Australia is not for you”, he said on National Television.
“I’d be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia:
one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can’t agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that’s a better option”, Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.
Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should “clear off?. ?Basically people who don’t want to be Australians, and who don’t want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off”, he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques quote:
“IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.
Take it or leave it.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture.
Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.”
“However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the ‘politically correct’ crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia .”
“However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.”
“This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity.
And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.”
“This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom”
“We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.
Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society …. Learn the language!”
“Most Australians believe in God.
This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.

It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.
If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.”
“We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why.
All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.”
“If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don’t like “A Fair Go”, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.
We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don’t care how you did things where you came from.
By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
“This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.
But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.”
“If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE.
We didn’t force you to come here.. You asked to be here.
So accept the country YOU accepted.”
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, Canadian, American and European citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voting the same truths!!

Again the non-Muslim must change his way of life so as not to offend Muslims.

Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims….

You are again talking out of your A$$

The references on the scopes are about bringing light to the darkness ie. (I’ll say this slowly so your simple one sided mind can comprehend) the scopes make a target visible both in LIGHT AND DARKNESS.

The Light 24.41 makes no reference to bringing light to the darkness.

Also since all of our U.S. currency has “In God We Trust” on it I guess all of the Muslims will stop using it. And Iraq and Afghanistan will give back the billions our great nation has spent in those crap hole countries.

It’s the mandatory acceptance of the personal savior bit before being able to see the light forced upon those who are unfamiliar with history and theology. The worst offenders of common decency are those who use religious ideologies of both sides to promote themselves. The intent of the scope is to bring darkness to someone’s light.

God, Corp and Country

What if….the owner of the company had included L24:41 in the serial number. Would that be acceptable?

Do you not see that Allah is He Whom do glorify all those who are in the heavens and the earth, and the (very) birds with expanded wings? He knows the prayer of each one and its glorification, and Allah is Cognizant of what they do. (The Light 24.41) From the Koran

I don’t think that anyone would have even known if the reporters hadn’t aired it.

How does the scripture reference violate their contract specifications?

How is it an instrument of proselytizing if soldiers don’t even knew it was there?

If soldiers don’t know it is there and it is considered proselytizing then wouldn’t praying for those same soldiers without their knowledge be the same thing?

To me it’s simple. People proselytize, not items.

Sure it may be used as a tool of proselytizing, but so could an M-16 be used to kill other American soldiers.

The military has been very responsible and in my opinion overzealous in “protecting” the religious beliefs in Iraq and Afghanistan. But, when does it go too far?
Should we have a religious litmus test for all contractors, less the “bless” the work they do for the military?
I can see it now.
“Ohh no, we must not use this ammunition it was blessed by employees at the factory.”

I do not argue that defense contractors run rough shod over the government, but this is not an example of that.

We have way more important issues to worry about. At least these sights have not lead to the death of soldiers. In fact I would be willing to bet that they have saved countless soldiers lives by increasing accuracy.

Furthermore, I think the scriptural references are apt for what the basic intent of the sights are. One fundamental quality of the ACOG is the illuminated reticle (bringing light to darkness). Sure it’s not a perfect match, but I know I found comfort knowing that I had the piece of equipment because it would allow me to shoot better, which in combat can save your life.

And it’s always easy for some anonymous A$$hole to trash me. Man up and disclose (not expose) yourself!

You are ridiculous!!!

If McDonald’s furnished the uniform for the war fighter and and the design constituted the golden arches and it was the best available then guess what that is what we get.

You obviously did not read further into your own post the company has been doing business with the US government since 1995 they have incorporated these bible versus into their sights for over 30 years that is way before 1995.

You are one-sided on anything that does not fit your agenda or suit your cause.

This is Again another way for you to exploit our soldiers and the contractors who support them.

Someone needs to put a boot in your A$$

You truly are IGNORANT…

What if the owner of the company who made our soldiers body Armor was Jewish and incorporated a Star of David into the design. Or if the owners of the company who makes the fatigues worked in a picture of the Muslim symbol of Allah!

As far as I’m concerned it’s not about converting anyone to anything. It’s about….”What were the technical specifications for the item you bid on?”

A company is paid 100′s of millions of dollars for a specific product…nothing more, nothing less.

The DoD is not in control of their contractors. So….when exactly is it not OK to deviate from the technical specifications?

A lot of people love McDonalds….I think a small innocuous “Golden Arches” strategically placed on our soldiers uniforms wouldn’t hurt anyone!

But Just so I’m sure, let me break this down. Most products have serial numbers. Most of the time, only the company really knows what they mean. So if this company inscripts a serial number (hypothetically speaking, as you like to say) such as 19B002Z165JN8:12 on their products, you interpret that as them trying to convert our soldiers to Christianity? Really? And you want to fine the company? Give me a break.

Here is a link to another story with a picture of this “prostelytizing” gun scope.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/19/2010-01-19_firm_takes_flak_for_rifle_scopes_with_bible_verse.html

You have my permission to use it on your weapon!