What a mess this whole LOGCAP contract has been. LOGCAP III has been plagued with fraud and corruption, electrocution deaths, toxin exposures, over charging, indictments, rapes, convictions, Congressional hearings, law changes, contractor deaths and countless law suits against KBR……the list is endless!!
I think most of us were relieved when LOGCAP IV in Kuwait and Afghanistan was awarded to Fluor and Dyncorp. Personally I was anxious to get this whole KBR disaster put in the past but that doesn’t seem to be happening.
I’m asking those of you in the field with Dyncorp, Fluor and KBR in Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq to let us know what is going on.
What do you think is the hold up with the transition? You guys are the ones who really know what’s going on….share it with us.
If you make a comment about a specific company please be sure to post the company name, country and camp if you can.
There are a lot of people out there looking for answers.
As of the publishing of this post….I don’t think any major LOCAP IV Task Orders have been awarded in Iraq. If I’m wrong let me know.
I’m looking forward to hearing what you have to say.
Ms Sparky
Fluor just starter posting Iraq they may send transition team there
I am just mad i can’t get my stuff still ther
I would say you stuff might be gone just like mine dissapeared after I demobed from KBR. They contacted me and never sent the missing items.
How are they bypassing Bosnians having CAC cards? It is my understanding that both American nationals and foreign national must have one. The only difference in the cards is the color of the stripe that is across the front of them. Americans have one with a green stripe and foreign nationals have one with a blue stripe. If they don’t have CAC cards what type of identification will they have?? Correct me if I am wrong but without a CAC card they will not have access to anything on the bases. How will this work?
Foreign nationals i believe have light blue stripe and US has the Green. But now they do not issue them to Foriegn nationals due to the background check that is required by the US Govt. Not sure what they are using but they are not suppose to be issuing CAC Cards to foreign Nationals maybe Afghanistan is different.
You are right they quit issuing CAC cards to non-US passport holders. The FN’s are using their LOA for ID to access dining halls. Foreign nationals CAC card used to have a red stripe on it, but as they expire they are not being reissued. They also can no longer use the post office. They are not suppose to be able to use the PX, but that is not being enforced. There is a sign on the door of PX stating that if you are not in uniform you must present CAC card.
I think the only badge they’re allowed is the MNFI
yes they have CAC cards.
That is what I thought. If they can get one issued why is it that they are using the excuse that they can’t get them issued for Americans?? It is just another excuse to use foreign workers to fill most of the positions. I am sure that it is good for the economy of all the other countries to have their people working there but what about the economy of the country that is footing the bill. We need jobs as bad as anyone. Something is not right about using foreign labor to support our troops when we have the highest unemployment rate that this country has seen since the 80’s. We outsource everything to foreign countries for cheaper labor. At what cost to the U.S. citizens??? Lower quality goods and services, lost jobs, etc. Get real, it that really helping any of us???
I beg to differ with you Flour Foremen. They are not being issued during processing in the states, and once they expire they are not being reissued.
well I know the CAC system keeps going down I know people still in Greenville since August
because CAC keeps going down. I was luck when I got mine done.
when will fluor be taken over the Dfac
That is crazy, since August??? Something in the milk isn’t clean.
Transition in BAF with Dyna taking
oveer KBR is going smooth. Dyna has
taken over O&M, Warehouse, Mwr, Motor Pool,
Provider and etc.
KBR moving out, but still brining new
recruits thru to the FOB’s.
George
I went to workatfluor.com to do the virtual recruiter thing and the application read “not available at this time” I was looking forward to atleast chatting with a recruiter so i can sell my resume…ive already applied to numerous positions but does anyone know if fluor will be having a jobfair or atleast have recruiters at a job fair? Thats how i got my job with Lear-siegler
and also ive searched for a contact number through and through to no avail…
keep trying it is probably overloaded at the moment
yes things are going smooth, we have ITT running the class 1 and ssa yards,
MWR and DFAC are not for next month
O&M is not until the end of March at least HVAC
and we are going to have our work cut out
i have seen some screwed up stuff
Is ITT taking over SSA, Class I , and other warehouse operations in BAF or are they actually under Fluor and not the subcontractor ITT?
By the way we just had a fire and almost lost the warrior camp DFAC. we are going to TI the DFAC in the next few days
Fire?? What caused the fire? Electrical?
Two days ago some guys from Materials were talking about a man who demobed a few months ago while on RnR. In April of this year KBR sent out a email stating we could demob while being home instead of returning to Dubai to demob. This man who demobed this way applied to Fluor and he had an email that said KBR terminated him. How low can you go KBR? Well, I also asked a guy I know who transitioned about the final plane ticket that KBR is suppose to provide as is stipulated in the contract agreement. He said no ticket. The first paper they make you sign is a waiver to that ticket or you go to Dubai and reapply with Fluor and lose your verbal offer position with Fluor.
Is there anyway legally can we fight this. Time is short and it is a holiday season. heelp!
KBR keeps finding ways to screw over people and to leave a sour taste in their mouths.
What is KBR doing with the money from this last half of the ticket that we were supposed to get?
Speaking of Dubai. How does KBR charge the US government when they put 2 people in a room at the Hallmark or 4 to a room at the Star Metro when we only stay there sometimes for only a quick shower before we must leave for the meeting to catch the charter. The say it is madatory to sign for the rooms.
The PM in Bagram also refused to let Linda from Operations go to Afghan 1. She was hired on with the new low KBR payscale. She would have doubled her pay if she went. Instead KBR sent a laborer to Afghan 1 who is from the states. I am all for letting US workers get ahead but this guy they sent is from Bosnia originally. Fair and equitable is not in the KBR ethics book I think. Then again it was the PM who over ruled this so maybe it was not KBR. I am trying to be fair here. We all know who that may be in bagram.
I am just wondering if the DCMA and?or the DCAA will look into what I blogged about. It appears that NCIS has a better record on doing things about these bad apples that KBR has and the DCMA ignores the contract violations. Too bad. I hope all this will change
When I demobed from home I was on my EOC… Even if I showed up at Dubai, I still wouldn’t have gotten paid. I would have to have shown up at BIAP to get paid. Reasoning from KBR, I went home early on my EOC, my actual EOC date was the day I should have went on vacation. So if you’re going to demob REGARDLESS of the RR (1,2,EOC) Leave theater with KBR on your actual R/R eligibility date. Its all in the paperwork. I didn’t argue. Its not worth it really. So instead of getting paid the two weeks I worked, I got paid $50. KBR took the money from the advances I did prior to RR, they “reimbursed me” for the flight home. But not the flight back. I have a ticket to go back to Dubai. Thankfully, I got a call just yesterday from KBR on coming back. I really believe that they’re going to do a PAR in February or March… So we’ll see how it goes.
In regards to Raul on Fluor, the virtual recruiter does work. I’ve gotten numbers for Fluor recruiters, but I could never get someone to answer the phone. Instead when I got on, I used my “candidate number” and then “messaged” with a person who redirected me to a recruiter. The recruiter asked me if I was interested in billeting, said they would call me for an interview. Hasn’t happened yet. I say your best bet is the virtual recruiter, secondly keep trying. They schedule when they’re on. Don’t give up.
There was a all hands meeting on 20 Dec 2009 in Jalalabad. It appears that there are some disgruntled managers within KBR as it relates to Fluor. It was stated that KBR did not lose the contract for Logcap IV but that it was poilitical. I guess he was not familiar with the Judges decision about KBR as it pertains to Kuwait. Well KBR was told they were forbidden to bid there. It was also stated that Fluor cannot do it as good as KBR. That the transition should be transparent to the client, that KBR may be back. It was also stated that we are here for the soldiers which I totally agree with. Why some of the pin prick attacks on Fluor at this point in time? One can guess but time will tell. Maybe it is because the good ole boy system is being broken up, hmm? Or could it be one is dis-satisfied with the position one has with Fluor?
raul, make sure you convert your time to there time, last tuesday it was at 8 a.m in the morning texas time.I signed in and 7min later i was with a rec. two days later i had paper work.If you have lic or cert. make sure you tell them that and able to provide it to them. you will have to do somethings your self in your town. good luck
Is Class I under Fluor or the subcontractor ITT in BAF?
yes ITT runs the class 1 and SSA YARD
KBR managers complaining about politics, and being kicked to the curb! G. Dubya and Dix C. aren’t around anymore to protect them. KBR doesn’t have the qualified Construction Management or accredited Design talent at Bagram and the Army knows it. This is not including the numerous excuses for shoddy workmanship and dirty tricks to cover up their tracks while they blame the other guy. If they were breaking up the good old boy system it would be front-page news and might read something like this:
News Flash; KBR and Fluor have agreed to hire union trained journeyman and accredited design professionals for Afghanistan. Others need not apply.
Does anyone has any information abut Fluor Corporation Recruiters, when they will be in Kosovo?
Sincerely,
Marsi
are the recruiters recruiten Dfac workers yet
Fluor has a dozen or so DFAC jobs on their website.
I am an Ex-KBR/SEIII/LOGCAP III DFAC Worker/BAF 2004-2005.
I found mssparky.com last year, and I have been hooked ever since. Thank you for the site MSSparky.
I have a question:
I have been posting to jobs religiously on every site I can find, but I have had no response, until just a few days ago from what I think is a Fluor recruiter although some things didn’t add up.
So heres my question: I’m not sure if its OK to post the recruiters name, but she said she is located in my state of Florida not too far from where I live. Can anyone tell me if Fluor hires recruiting sub-contractors to do their hiring? Also, I was declined the job? She said that Fluor hires experienced employees only. How much more experience do I need when I was in Bagram, Afghanistan Dragon DFAC working everyday 16 hours a day 7 days a week, Hmmm?
Was she requiring any kind of payment? I would stick to the Big 3’s websites. Too many scams going on out there. Go to http://www.logcap4jobs.com and have Bruce take a look at your resume. I have been getting great feedback from people. He’s a former KBR/Fluor HR guy.
And….thanks for the great compliment!
Ms. Sparky:
You’re Welcome
That’s the thing…She didn’t ask for payment. She was responding to a job I applied to on workatfluor.com. She critiqued my resume, and asked a few questions concerning operating procedure manuals, menu cards, rations, food safety, sanitation, how many people we served per day, headcount Etc. Which I told her I am familiar with and added extra info I thought she may have over looked, that anyone working in the DFACS would know. I’m Stumped………
I will email my resume to Bruce as you suggested and see what he has to say. Thank you so much for the info.
No problem. Keep me posted.
Ok, Thanks again.
Actually, Dragon I think you need to be very leary of this person. Based on the type of questions you say she was asking it sounds like a company trying to gather information to submit a bid as a food services provider on a subcontract.
Those are not the type of questions a recruiter would normal ask especially procedures manuals, and menu’s.
Bruce – do you want to weigh in on this one.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. But I needed to make sure. I looked up her name on the internet specifically sunbiz.org where she has her own consulting company. I also looked at linkedin.com where it does say that she is a recruiter although it doesn’t say for which company, it only says her location is in Ft. Lauderdale/Miami. She also may be linked to a construction Co. of some sort but I can’t verify yet.
Thank you so much for your in-put.
Re your question regarding Fluor subing out their recruiters – that is a NO all of their recruiters for Fluor jobs are located in Greenville, SC.
I thought so. The weird thing is that her return email address had her name @fluor.com with fluors mailing address underneath her signature. weird
I concur. It sounds like a phishing scheme, but not being a Certified Ethical Hacker or a Certified Information System Security Professional, I can offer no speculation or conjecture on how someone could accomplish using an email address complete with a bogus Fluor extension, and to what end.
Well the hiring manager usually contacts the manager in country or vice versa concerning the people they want. Like i have mentioned before if they don’t know you or if some of there workers on ground cannot vouch for you they will not hire you. That is just the way it is right, things are in dire straits right now and they need people they can count on in the pinch ie sleeping in a tent with 200 other folks and know you are there for the long haul. They have alot people who arrive there and then say i am out of here due to the fact they have to walk to the shower, wear the same clothes a few days in a row and the laundry not being done everyday. I had it explained to me that it was not a cake walk. They also ask you on the fluor site if you are willing to work in the dire straits. People are quitting everyday due to non payment or living conditions. I hope that helps, even if you were there in 2004-2005. They hire who they want to hire. You can’t change that part unfortunately. Some say it is not right to do that but in away i can see the reasoning behind it.
Ksniper:
yes, I am aware of all that. I got the job through a friend in 04′. Back then, I got an email directly from a KBR recruiter on site in BAF, and a few days following that I got a call from a recruiter in Houston. He asked me the appropriate questions, then 2 weeks later I was in Houston going through in-processing. I was there living under primitive conditions. I was in a tent before being transfered to a hooch where I had multiple women in both and I slept on a cot while others got beds. I walked to the showers in the snow even when there was only cold water and sometimes there wasn’t any water at all to shower with, I wore dirty wet clothes at times, dragged my 50 lb. kevlar ensamble to work when required. Delt with all the KBR harrasment. Stood on my feet for 16+ hours a day working in the Dragon DFAC and they were raping women back then too. Nothing has changed. About the best one can do is to be on alert of your surroundings and do your job correctly.
The thing is, with this recruiter, She said she was located in Florida? Does that mean that Fluor is subcontracting their recruiters?
Fluor is in S. Carolina?
No way is Fluor subcontracting recruiters.
I agree with you Mr. Sniper. It is what it is.
Back when I first got to Arifjan in Feb of ‘03, we were having Scud missile drills where we’d all put on our MOPP gear; there was a bus load of new hires which just happened to arrive as we were parading by them on our way to the bunkers, and a portion of them were so mortified, that following the drill they refused to get off the bus and demanded to be taken back to the airport – and I mean, “RIGHT NOW DAMNIT”! We laughed our, well, you know what I mean – we got a pretty good chuckle out of it.
And you’re dead-on about the living conditions and it’s contribution toward the turnover rate.
The project in Afghanistan is a whole new beast from the sustainment mode it was in prior to the transition, and right now it is one gigantic Charlie Foxtrot, certainly not for those individuals who need their creature comforts, a clean place to live, a quiet place to sleep, “personal space”, and all of the other basic amenities that suddenly become luxuries nowhere to be found in the daily grind of LOGCAP.
Hey whose got the ttm contract in IRAQ
To the best of my knowledge, that Task Order (CPT) has not been awarded. Rumor on the street is it will go to Fluor. But…know can be sure until it is announced. I will blog it ASAP when I find out about it!
how does itt pay ? after Reviewing some other articles I believe ITT got the transportation side of the contract. dag the bad luck!!! if it is it is so who knows
I am interested in returning to the middle east or afganistan but I keep hearing from friends of mine that are there that the contractors are hiring more from the Balkans than America? I guess it will be just like KBR was. It’s the hire Balkans first?
It’s called profit margin. Insurgent. Everyone thinks KBR is that bad guy, but the other contractors just perfected what KBR started. But oh well the military is going to find out the hard way by throwing KBR under the bus. It is already reflecting in Afghanistan. More to come later.
Does Dyncorp hires green card holder/Us Permanent Resident?
I was just called by a recruiter for DynCorp for a position in Afghanistan. Does anyone know how their processing goes? I have worked with KBR in the past just wondered if anyone had any info regarding DynCorp’s processing.
I will get you in touch with someone.
Hi Ron,
Do you know the name of the person who contacted you from Dyncorp to work in Afghanistan? I’d be really interested to get in touch.
Thanks in advance.
Can anyone give details on what the Dyncorp Employment Package is.
Dyn Corp’s package is not that good compared to everyone else over here, that is their LOGCAP O&M jobs. They are hiring mostly foreign nationals. Their R&R policy sucks, you get 3, but one of them is an “in theater”, which means that you don’t go home. Dyn Corp has some good contracts over here for Americans. Try the AFCAP program or they were just awarded the training contract. Another thing Dyn Corp was awarded the South in Afghanistan, Fluor the North. There is alot less fighting in the North right now, and neither of the new contractors pay for bunker time.
Rob if you want to email me at ron.fenn@yahoo.com I will give you the recruiters email address…..I am in processing in Fort Worth Texas right now. I should be deploying for Afghanistan by this weekend.
thanks
Are the contract workers still living in 8-10 man B-huts and tents in Afghanistan???
Because of the surge and the transition many are living in 200+ man tents.
So when you go there be prepared for shared living.
I was Afghanistan before a few years back and lived in a tent then lived in a B-hut for kbr. I was hoping that the living conditions would have gotten better. But that’s life hopefully I will going there shortly…I can’t believe all the people that are wanting to go now. I guess the economy must be pretty bad..LOL…
Yes they are and yes..be prepared to share! BAF housing is like putting ioolbs. of sugar into a 5lb bag…
LOL, i am sure they are there for the money nick, so i hope those guys do not decide to demob because if so they probably have to pay there way home.
At KAF transition into 3 mos, since I transitioned to DI, no organization per say, sleeping EX PAT and TCN 24 per tent, double
twin beds. Have moved tents 5 times in 3 months and expecting another move.
Expecting 600 more or so TCN’s
TCN’s cannot get clearances. Cannot go to eat and the meals are being brought to the shops.
No sanitary conditions, running out of food at noon and breakfast. Locals eating free too.
G