What a mess this whole LOGCAP contract has been. LOGCAP III has been plagued with fraud and corruption, electrocution deaths, toxin exposures, over charging, indictments, rapes, convictions, Congressional hearings, law changes, contractor deaths and countless law suits against KBR……the list is endless!!
I think most of us were relieved when LOGCAP IV in Kuwait and Afghanistan was awarded to Fluor and Dyncorp. Personally I was anxious to get this whole KBR disaster put in the past but that doesn’t seem to be happening.
I’m asking those of you in the field with Dyncorp, Fluor and KBR in Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq to let us know what is going on.
What do you think is the hold up with the transition? You guys are the ones who really know what’s going on….share it with us.
If you make a comment about a specific company please be sure to post the company name, country and camp if you can.
There are a lot of people out there looking for answers.
As of the publishing of this post….I don’t think any major LOGCAP IV Task Orders have been awarded in Iraq. If I’m wrong let me know.
I’m looking forward to hearing what you have to say.
Ms Sparky
hello everyone just trying to get info on being rehired again ,i am a vet and i used to work for kbr in afghanistan , and iraq, came down on rif and i am looking to get rehired with ,kbr,or fluor or any company down range
best to try Fluor or Dyncorp since KBR is leaving the region…
Try your hardest to get back on with KBR. Fluor may pay more and so on. But this company is a pain in the ass to it’s employees,You don’t know how good KBR is till you try Fluor.Check with KBR recuriters they will tell you Fluor Empolyee are tyring to switch back to KBR.
I am getting about 50/50 former KBR employee like Fluor and don’t. I think it depends a lot on where you are and who work for. The same as KBR. There is a huge contingent of KBR employees who will no pass the <40 BMI or the back ground check. They are not liking Fluor very much and many are in fact trying to get back on with KBR on LOGCAP III.
And in case you haven’t heard….RECRUITERS LIE!
what a load of tripe if your face doesnt fit with the little gangs that run kbr your out even the pm at jbb hadnt a clue what was going on due to the fact all was kept away froim him there is not a guy running the omy yard capeable of selling ice cream and i have been in this game 40 years what a load of wasters all need firing and the company will double there profits due to the lack of bad management that goes on especially jbb get it sorted and investigate these morons i can name them john.gallear@yahooco.uk
I spent 4 years in Afghanistan on the SEII payroll. I left about one year ago. Everyone that I know who is still there and now working for FLUOR are singing the praises of the good old KBR days. These are the same people who used to complain the loudest about KBR. Funny how things work. I just finished reading an excellent book about working in Afghanistan. The book is titled 21st century camp follower and is available on Amazon. For those who have not been on a LOGCAP project and for those that have you will recognize the situations that are eloquently put forth in the book.
When is KBR start to downsize now the Iraqi elections are over and the Military will be pulling out?..They are still posting plenty of job openings in Iraq . With 17.000 KBR persons supporting 98,000 military personnel..and the number of personnel is to go down to 50,000 ..Is there any word on RIFs . when will the Socialized collecting the government contractor pay /doing nothing for 12hr and getting paid for it stop …
Is KBR going to make everyone fill out the SF 85 and conform the to BMI test to get rid of all the Overweight / Criminal Riffraff …..
FIRST I WANT THANKS EVERYONE FOR GIVING ME HELPFUL HINTS AND TIPS ,ABOUT TRYING TO GET REHIRED BACK IN LOGCAP, ANY MORE INFO WOULD BE APPRECIATED, HERE IS MY NEXT QUESTION, IRAQ IS DOWNSIZING , I THINK, NOW DOES ANYONE KNOW ARE ALL TROOPS MOVING OUT OF IRAQ,AND IS A BIG RIFT COMING , IAM HEARING , DIFFERENT STORIES, I HEARD THEY NEED PEOPLE BUT THEY SEEM NOT TO BE HIRING ,ANY HELPFUL TIPS , THANKS , AGAIN AND GOD BLESS
FIRST I WANT THANKS ANYONE THAT HAS RESPONDED TO MY QUESTIONS , ITHANK YOU VERY MUCH, ALSO DO YOU HAVE ANY RECRUITING ,NUMBERS FOR FLUOR OR DYNACORP. SO I CAN TALK TO THEM ,I THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS
DOES ANY ONE KNOW A NUMBER OR AN E-MAIL FOR MR JAMES ,R BAKER A PROJECT MANAGER FOR FLUOR , I WOULD APPRECIATE IT ,THANKS
Hi. I’m Sam. I would appreciate any phone numbers of Flour and Dyncorp or any other recruiters out there so I can get down range. mslgerman@yahoo.com thanks all.
Hey,I would love to talk with anyone in processing right now w/Fluor in Gville.I am heading there soon.Thanks
Prepare to stay a while… average person 8 weeks, and some up to 6 plus months. The conditions are good, and your getting paid to be here.
Question- Does anyone know anything about ITT,IAP,RMS? Smaller contractors. So much is said about the big three?
Lee
IAP and RMS are the same company. RMS is an operating division of IAP Worldwide Services. Neither IAP or ITT are small contractors.
IAP/RMS is part of both the GSCS Navy Contingency MATOC and AFCAP – the AF Contingency Contract.
ITT has been in the arena for years and provides the BOS Services in Qatar as well as alot of the Force Protection services everywhere including Kuwait and the Balkans.
I know people that have worked for both companies that have been happy and also people that have worked for both companies that have been unhappy for the same reasons that are being expressed about the other companies.
I don’t think at this time that any single company can be said to be far better than any other company.
Hows this for an offer to work in a war zone?
This is for EG&G
Data Sheet
Employment Agreement
Air Force Contract TOR 189 – Kandahar & Bagram, Afghanistan
March 2010
1. ASSIGNMENT POSITION: Escort/Monitor
2. ASSIGNMENT LOCATION: Afghanistan
3. POINT OF ORIGIN:
4. AGREEMENT DURATION FROM: April 2010 TO: April 2011
5. DATE OF HIRE: TBD – on or about April 12, 2010
6. EMPLOYEE NAME:
7. ASSIGNMENT STATUS: SINGLE STATUS ONLY
8. COMPENSATION:
a. Base Salary: $6.36/hour
b. Foreign Service Premium paid on first 40 hours (35% of base); & Hazard Premium (35% of base) paid on first 40 hours. ($10.82/hour total )
c. Bonuses: In addition to the Foreign Service Premium and Hazard Premium, there will be bonuses paid at specific intervals as detailed below:
• Arrival In-Country/Commencement Bonus: $2,500 – Shall be paid the first pay period after your first 30 days. If you quit for reasons within your control or are terminated for cause within the first 90 days, a pro-rated portion of this bonus will be recovered through payroll deduction.
• 90 Day Interim Bonus – $700 Shall be paid the first pay period after 90 days of continued service.
• 180 Day Interim Bonus – $800 Shall be paid the first pay period after 180 days of continued service.
• 270 Day Interim Bonus – $1,000 Shall be paid the first pay period after 270 days of continued service.
• 365 Day Completion Bonus – $2,500 Shall be paid the first pay period after 365 days of continued service.
If you are terminated by the company or quit for reasons within your control, you forfeit all bonuses.
And everyone says KBR is paying too low. These guys are not even paying Minimum Wage. This must be on AFCAP – but I can’t believe they can get away with that.
BTW based on the amount they have quoted for the Uplift which is 70% of the hourly pay. at $10.82 per hour there is a big typo in the base pay. It really calculates out to $15.46/hour not $6.36.
Makes you wonder if they even read these things
sail,
My experience is that most AFCAP contracts pay pretty well for expats. The guys in Al Udied, Qatar are making $80-125k for the trades working 6 days.
Gone –
My comment was not intended to imply that the AFCAP contractors were paying outrageously low salaries. It was based soley on the refernece to the contract in the Offer Letter Air Force TOR 189 – indicating that it was not LOGCAP.
Having worked for one of the major AFCAP contractor’s. I am aware that they do not generally offer this type of salary to Expats.
It could well be that the position was intended for a TCN in which case the salary would reflect that.
My dad is at the Deed(Al Udied)currently working for Lewis Berger as a plumber.He is around 80k w/a day off a week,rr every 6mo.and no mortar strikes.Cac went thruogh in 5 days.
This is the offer I received yesterday and yes this is for expats. The way the gentleman was talking they need 126 people to fill these positions. They want you to have or be able to obtain and keep a security clearance.
In that case I would use my Nana’s old expression – They are crazier that Betsy Bug’s.
EGG is not new to that arena – they were a major Sub to KBR on LCIII.
Sounds like they may have executed a Firm Fixed Price Subcontract and are trying to up the profit margin by paying low.
what company was that, i am interested ingoing back to iraq asap
For those that are looking for Middle East jobs
4/8/2010
DRS Technical Services a DRS Defense Solutions, LLC line of business, announced that its Tactical Services & Network Solutions business unit was awarded a contract for approximately $77 million to provide technical assistance to the United States Army and allies as they withdraw from the country of Iraq.
Web site is http://www.drs.com. They have over 50 jobs posted for Iraq and Kuwait.
It takes forever to get on with Fluor..
I have placed multiple request and got one phone call and that was three weeks ago.
They must be on a hiring freeze…
I am in Greenville along with 300 others waiting for our CAC cards and LOA’s. It takes some 1 week to get out, and others 6 plus months. There is no rhyme or reason to it, and of course we are not being told the full facts. They are telling us its just the way it goes with the background checks. My guess is that Fluor has put a hold on hiring for the moment while they sort this whole thing out. We have at least 4 hotels rented in the Greenville area, and there are more people expected to arrive that were hired previously. So just hang in there, and hopefully you will here something soon.
Thanks…
I am hanging in there!!
Do you get paid with Fluor if your stay is extended over a week or two while waiting to be shipped out??
Yes… They only expected us to be here a couple of weeks, but they are still paying us. You will receive your base with no uplift for 40 hrs a week, and $55.00 per diem a day for food. The Hotel is covered, and they have a shuttle service. While you are here, you are working for a company called “TRS”. However, I have yet to meet anyone that has a TRS lanyard or anything that identifies them. (Kind of like the KBR/SEII thing). You are a Fluor employee when you go wheels up from Greenville.
The latest rumor is, they are not going to bringing any more people to Greenville until they clear their sf85′s from home. I think its a better deal for some, especially if your making more at home than sitting here.
I would say for sure that it will be a better deal for the US Tax payer since they are billing the Government for the 40 hours a week they are paying you to sit in Greenville.
I would also make sure you read your employment agreement carefully, it may well be that you will still be working for TRS even once deployed. It really is the same kind of deal as SEII/OAS.
I have read the agreement plenty of times, and it does state that we will be transitioned from TRS to Fluor FGG upon arrival to Afghanistan. TRS is supposedly only being used for the processing of Fluor employees. I am sure there is more to it than that, maybe liability issues if someone gets hurt here, or some othere reason. They have been pretty upfront with us, but who knows… that my change after we get over there.
You must be ex-KBR! Please try to realize you are working for a far better company.(Fluor) The SF85 processing time is out of Fluor’s control. Be thankful for the base pay 40 hrs and the per diem!
You would not be getting anything close to a deal like this with KBR! I have worked for Fluor many years and they treat their employees very good and with respect. You have to get out of the “KBR mentality” and have an open mind.
I am very impressed that Fluor is paying their people during in processing, even when there is a delay. KBR didn’t pay a dime for wages. That was a first for me to not be paid for orientation or company training for a job. What a racket!
LOL, i know you are on Fluor or TRS payroll sparky, billing the government for work not performed LOL. OMG sparky why didn’t you just say so. KBR bills for work done and being processing for 3 months and getting paid to go on vacation is not fleecing the government? I have not heard a thing about Fluor hiring FNs from the balkans like hotcakes and you preach hire americans first but if you can’t get to where you are suppose to work and client suffers come on sparky at least now i know your real color it is BLUE
At least i keep it real sparky nope KBR does not pay you in processing and i heard folks getting paid for months and decide to go back to KBR. Let me see i guess Fluor ate the cost of that employees, yeah right.
Payroll? I don’t need no stinkin’ payroll! I work for free!
Fluor Is not a better company.KBR is by far better to it’s employee.Yes the pay is higher,Not worth it
I worked for EGG at Al Udeid. Mary matthews was the recruiter. The company lied on many fronts. We were told we did not have to but health insurance as it was covered by the contract with the AF. Wrong, but we did not know this until we arrived in theater. I was an escort there as well. The pay was 15.60 / hr for 60 hours. In the 4 months I was there EGG went thru 3 Managers for the projct. The first was Steve Petrino or somthing like that. Stay away from EGG. There were 4 former KBR workers there and we all agreed KBR was a better organization than EGG.
truthfuly.. im a contractor and everyone has something bad to say about everything.. if everyone made $10,000.00 a month they would still find something to B & C about… we all need to shut up and make the money..
Does anyone know how long it takes to process your resume with fluor?
it takes forever…. they are using the “keyword” process to filter through the resumes… if yours doesnt have the “keywords” it will automatically get kicked out..
does anyone know a recruiter for KBR that hires for postal positions in iraq, i am trying to go back but it is very difficult, please advise, thanks
i used to know a couple but im hearing that most of them are gone.. they had alot of positions open for mail clerks and i reapplied but haven’t heard anything… im currently working in kuwait now as a mailclerk for CSA.. we’re working 6-10′s but dont get the uplifts or hazard pay that you got in iraq.
Do you know if CSA is still hiring, i would not mind working in Kuwait, anything beats here, if so can you send me your recruiter information, i would appreciate it and keep you posted. how long is your contract in kuwait.
what is your email address
nawtawde@yahoo.com
HELLO PATRICK OR NIKI , I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR BOUT 6MNTHS , HAVING WORKED FOR ,KBR AND COMING DOWN ON A RIF , I WOULD LOVE TO WORK FOR CSA OR ANY COMPANY OVERSEAS, AND THANKS FOR ANY HELP ANYONE CAN GIVE ME ,AND MRS SPARKY YOUR PAGE IS ON POINT TELLING IT LIKE IT IS , AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT , KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO,
HEY PARTRICK I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY INFO YOU CAN GIVE ME FOR KUWAIT ,AND HOW IS THE PAY FOR CSA , IS IT WORTH THE TRAVEL. THANKS
Hi Terrance, i know the pay is not that great for kuwait but it is better than nothing and jobs stateside are not that great also, so at this point i will take kuwait over nothing and i loved working in iraq, it was the best job i ever had.
It appears DynCorp is also bidding on an AFCAP Camp Sather project against a well-known competitor named CH2M-Hill and possibly IAP/RMS
hello again nikki, i understand you and if you could give me any link or info for a job in kuwait i will apply and hopefully take it i have been trying for months here no luck, I will take what they have iam not being picky i need to work thanks ,Terrance
i was off today but i will check the board tomorrow and see what they have available.. what are u looking to do? whats your email address?
Hi Patrick, I agree with you ,and Iam not complaining just trying to work to support my Family, I have experince in Logistics, Food Service, Cook, , I even use to do mail, but those are my fields ,Iam not choosey, I want work thats all, I thnk you for any help .my yahoo terranceterra2000@yahoo.com . Take care
For those interested in working for CSA in Kuwait go directly to their website wwww.csakuwait.com & click on the “Employment” link near the top of the page.
Security is always hiring because of the turnover & the process is relatively painless & quick. Can be as little as a month if the applicant does everything necessary to meet requirements. Any armed position experience, whether public or private, is usually sufficient to qualify for a position with security. Or a combat arms position in the military.
Good luck.
Hey yall. I’m at Al uldeied in Qatar and I’m looking to switch over to Dyncorp as a TCN monitor any knowledge of Key personel, recruiters or managers here? My email address is mslgerman@yahoo.com. Thanks and please hurry.
Are you sure DynCorp is hiring for this TCN position? Have you spoke to anyone on-site?
Yes; and they where red t-shirts that say Dyncorp. Talked to one earlier, but didn’t get the email address right.
HELLO TO ANYBODY READING , MY FAMILY IS OVERSEAS , I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR YEARS AND I CAME DOWN ON RIF FROM KBR, I HAVE TRIED FLUOR IAM ALSO WAITING , IS THERE ANY OTHER COMPANIES HIRING , SO I CAN,GET BACK AND CONTINUE TO WORK FOR MYSELF AND FAMILY ,I THANK, ANYONE FOR ANY HELP AT ALL, JOBS ARE REALLY HARD TO FIND HERE , IN THE GOOD OLD USA, ,I KNOW FOR EVERYONE , BUT I APPRECIATE ANY HELP WITH ANY COMPANY , IN MIDDLE EAST OR ASIA
HI IAM TRYING TO FIND JOB OVERSEAS , AGAIN NEED HELP FINDING ONE WHO WILL HIRE ME , ANY ADVICE , POC THANKS
Did you get the email I sent ya?
Hello all,
I have worked with KBR for a total of 39 months over 2 different stints (needed a break). I’m currently looking to get on with Dyncorp within the MHE department. I’m a former MHE Foreman as well as Rtch and Forklift operator. If anyone has any contact info for a Dyncorp recruiter it would be greatly appreciated.
Saw your post Rich and I did 30 months straight. Came home June 09 and been looking ever since and just got a call today from DynCorp for MHE Operator in OMAN.
All I can say is make sure your resume looks GREAT and keep applying for anything your remotely qualified for and with the new LOGCAP 4 contract gettin hammered out, things should be picking up soon. Hang in there:-)
Good call on making sure the resume looks GREAT T Rex 2!
RICH B – Check it out.
http://mssparky.com/2010/02/resume-advice-for-logcap-job-seekers/
Was glad to be let go by Fluor…incredibly poor lead engineer who terrorized the entire project, combined with a corporate boss who had just ignorned the problem.
Thank GOD, I don’t have to see the place again.
Snuppy – We would love to have specifics. Names and camps of the offending leaders and specifically what they were doing.
Hi,
i was offered a position with EG&G as an escort
can anyone tell me what that job actually does?
Risk level?
Etc.
Thanks
Kinda sounds like secret squirrel stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EG%26G
I have been trying to get on with Fluor since December! i’ve tried the virtual recruiter and was even promised an email and a phone call but never received ‘em.i have previous Logcap experience in iraq with the kbr/lsi regime. I was a logistics coordinator/sams operator over 2 contracts. I have plenty experience but do not know why Fluor hasnt picked me up yet. I have great knowledge of army logistics and am very qualified. Anyone have any leads i would be willing to trade info about Fluor. oh yea stay away from aecom/csa!
I have been trying for a year now with 300 positions open in my field. They told me that there has been a billeting problem and supposedly are working on it. I don’t see how they are doing the jobs at the bases without the personnel, unless they are working the people 24/7.
LOL I worked for CSA for a month, they gave me a quote on salary and when I got there it was changed to $2 lower we argued back and forth, took my passport for 30 days, had to pay for my way back home, I would suggest no one apply with them unless they are desperate..
What is a “virtual recuiter”?
Loggy4life and Maximus:
Don’t discount the importance of having a resume designed to make you standout in a sea of applicants. With competition being the way it is for these high-paying jobs these days, you want to make sure every i is dotted and every t is crossed. Back in the day, it used to be if you passed the basic requirements, all you had to do was apply, wait your turn, and eventually you’d probably get hired – but this is NOT your fathers LOGCAP anymore!
With people knowing the amount of money they can potentially make working on the project, the recruiters receive hundreds, sometimes THOUSANDS of applications for just one single job posting, which has turned the selection process into something like playing the lottery for applicants – with your lottery ticket being your resume. You only get one shot at making a first impression, and you want to make sure it is much, much more than merely a good one – recruiters are swimming in a sea of “good” resumes, and now-a-days, a good resume along with 5 bucks will get you a tall coffee down at Starbucks, but it won’t get you the time of day with a recruiter. What’s required is an OUTSTANDING resume designed to crush your competition who skimped on theirs trying to save a few bucks and wound up shooting themselves in the foot, destroying any chance they ever had. Too bad, so sad – and TOTALLY avoidable if they had only taken the time to do their homework.
To have a decent chance and a realistic expectation of getting onto LOGCAP in today’s highly competitive market, nearly requires having a Hollywood agent to represent you and in a sense, your resume IS that Hollywood agent. A resume has to be a sterling presentation of your credentials, tweaked and optimized with all the bells and whistles to give you the competitive edge. Visit my site, http://www.logcap4jobs.com for more info.
hello forum, i spoke with a kbr recruiter yesterday finally after calling for 4 months and he said that logcap IV is requiring everybody to have a clearance and that is making their job really tough because most of us do not have the excellent credit it take to get the clearance. I can get a NACI clearance but not a secret. can anyone tell me how true that is. does everybody over there have excellent credit. i find that hard to believe if so what is the purpose of going if they are doing so good stateside. I am trying everyday to get back and everyday is a new stumbling block but I will never give up.
Most jobs do not require “secret” clearances.
I believe that they are hiring freinds, family and brother inlaws of the workers already in theator…
im hearing that dukes of hazard song in my head..”??just the good ol’ boys???never meaning no harm???” if you get my drift!
You three knuckleheads are home for a reason. It is obvious from your comments you are not worth keeping. Everyone has credit problems? Maybe among the friends you keep. Please try to get a job with Fluor or DI, we don’t need you. I have been with KBR since March, 2005. Before that, I was working with a company for almost 15 years. Good pay and benefits but it got boring and I wanted to help support the troops. I make less per hour over here; at HQ no less, than I did back home. The only way I make more is due to the amount of hours we work. I truly love what I do and would do it at half the salary if I had to. I know others who feel the same way. It is not just a job but an adventure.
Truth hurts doesn’t it…
You tell me. I have no previous friends, family, or in-laws working over here. How about you? What I do have are a great bunch of good solid contacts who would hire me back in any number of positions because I am a hard worker and bring a lot to the table. If it is not that easy for you, maybe YOU are the problem, not KBR. I started out low on the totempole and worked my way up, always treating other as I would want to be treated. In this kind of business, you never know when your next boss might have been your previous employee. Payback can be a bitch. I have seen it happen and I can’t say I feel sorry for them one bit. There is no place for that but like any other company (over here and stateside) it happens all too frequently. What I am tired of seeing if the broad brush applied to KBR by a bunch of sorry, whiny ex-KBRers. Get over it all ready! Move on! Don’t dwell on the past. I know it is hard to let go but for your sanity, stop it. What good does it achieve other than to allow you to relieve all of the perceived injustices you have experienced. Life is too short…
Often I receive emails from this site and honestly today-I wanted to reply. I am also from the KBR class of March 2005. Maybe a few in that class were just lucky or blessed. I have seen things I disagreed with but for the most part- My experience with KBR was good.
Some KBR ex’s have true reason for offense and anger but for the most part much of what I read are personal reasons based on personal mistakes.
KBR may never be the heavy weight champion again- and yes too many mistakes it made but look at the thousands of us that earned the salaries and our families benefitted.
Some will still be angry with the undisputed heavyweight champion of contracting. By the way soon FYI-The Wolf will be returning for another shot at the title-start returning to the website…K.B.R.
Hello HQ Guy, I did not mean to ruffle any feathers, I loved my job emincely and was good at what I did. I received coins and certificates of appreciations. My reason for being at home has nothing to do with my credit, the clearance issue was something that was told to me and I just asked a question. I wasn’t there for the money. My stateside business was taking care of 12 homeless men. This was the first job I had that I totally enjoyed going to everyday and never took a day off. I loved it, it gave me freedom and a sense of service I just did not get stateside so HQ Guy I am sorry if I offended you because you are absolutely right, it is not just a job it is an adventure and I cant wait to return and continue to support our troops thats the least I can do to show gratitude for how they are protecting Americans.
get that dick out of your mouth. We all know what moving up the ladder in KBR means Fool! You kissed more ass then a lil’ bit. I know managers who got axed who were some of the best KBR had because of the good ol’ boy system they had implemented. If you didnt have the same mind frame as the majority then you got fired. Don’t tell me you did not know about HR fucking everything up and some employees not getting paid..c’mon man! lets not forget bout managers who did fuck up, getting promoted!! Mr. Patriotic and notice the P is capitalized…I was there to support Troops as well as doing my job. I even went outside of KBR’s guidelines to ensure Soldiers did not leave the FOB without A/C or proper maintenance on their weapons so dont try to use that to make yourself seem better than anyone else out there we were all out there under the same conditions, some better than others. So while you feelin all high and mighty we all know the real truth. They hired unexperienced fucks to do half assed jobs and ended up murdering Soldiers and Civilians alike by electrocution and so forth. I know your type…good ol’ boy!! and im stateside now so if i ever seen you i would probably slap the stupid out of you!!! Capitalize that!
that last post was for HQ GUY in case you didnt notice!!!!
If you ever seen me? LOL, you sound like the uneducated idiots who have given KBR a black eye. Slap the stupid out of ME?!!! I’d drop you where you stand. More importantly, I’d be afraid that some of YOUR stupid would rub off on ME!
Sorry, I have yet to kiss anyone’s butt much less do what you must now do to make ends meet. I am sure your family is so proud of what you accomplished, working with unexperienced f%&ks and all. YOU sound like an unexperienced F%&K. That, I will capitalize!
Yes, I am sure you are 100% correct, HR fucks everything up. Some employees not getting paid? What is that 2, 3, 4? I don’t know a single person in my over 5 years with KBR that did not get paid. Broad brush again? Did it happen? I am sure it did. Was it endemic to KBR? Seriously are you are on drugs or just stupid? Now about people fing up and getting promoted. Yes, that I have heard of. I can’t name a single person but I have heard that story many times. Usually, disgruntled workers at the BTC or on the charter as they fly off into the sunset. Maybe it was you I had to listen to on my last R&R, bitch and moan about KBR all the way to Dubai. Good riddance! Are some of those stories true? You betcha! Did crap like that happen at the last company I worked for? You betcha! Happens everywhere.
you are in more denial than BP hq guy! i can’t believe it… for somebody who uses punctuation and grammar to call out everybody on this post, this aint a literature class its more like an all hands and we all know what that means. I just dont like the fact that you are high and mighty and acting like KBR is not full of shit. They are,get over it. now grant it, there are companies that are higher on the ladder when it comes to being unprofessional but KBR is def one of ‘em I never asked perfection from them, just the basics. I feel embarrassed to even mention that i worked for KBR knowing that they are responsible for electrocuting Soldiers but I know the service i provided along with the other personnel in clss is worth mentioning. I completed two contracts and also one with LSI, honorably! the way they treated me and fellow employees on my way out was like a kick in the nuts and i nor the Soldiers who witnessed it and fellow employees will ever forget that. I am thoroughly convinced that more money with stability is the best way to go because you get treated like shit either way and I rather get on with fluor due to KBR’s wreck-less and radical sop. I have a book to write about corruption and scandal in TQ, Al Asad, Balad, Mosul, and so forth but will I? no. all i know is that a person like you sugarcoating the shit makes me ill so you can downplay and ignore what really happened over there but we, the people know the truth! oh yeah i was also on a plane that blew an engine leaving biap for Baghdad and made an emergency landing all because KBR wanted to save a few dollars, it almost cost us our lives. For the people who didnt make it back to iraq after that episode, i applauded them for recognizing that money wasn’t worth their lives not because of the war but because of ignorance! I on the other hand stuck it out because i was in the Army and aint nothing better than serving and support my brothers and sisters in combat.
I don’t know why I bother but here goes…
“i can’t believe it… for somebody who uses punctuation and grammar to call out everybody on this post, this aint a literature class its more like an all hands and we all know what that means.” More incoherent garbage. Please explain.
“I just dont like the fact that you are high and mighty and acting like KBR is not full of shit. They are,get over it. now grant it, there are companies that are higher on the ladder when it comes to being unprofessional but KBR is def one of ‘em I never asked perfection from them, just the basics.” I see such professionalism every day, sorry you seem to not be a part of it. I had a meeting today with the USF-I HQed at VBC to solve an on-going problem. The teamwork I witnessed made me PROUD that I work for KBR. Sorry you never experienced that in your time with KBR. It must truly have been a living hell to have put up with that kind of lack of professionalism, just so you could collect a paycheck. Why didn’t you leave?
“I feel embarrassed to even mention that i worked for KBR knowing that they are responsible for electrocuting Soldiers but I know the service i provided along with the other personnel in clss is worth mentioning.” When did you determine tha KBR was responsible for any electrocution of Soldiers? You have inside information? Or is this just what you read in the papers or on this site? So, CLSS is without any stain? I am proud of my employment with KBR and not ashamed to let anyone know about. Still waiting for the first person to say to my face anything negative about KBR. I would say I’d slap the stupid out of them but I’d liken it more to ignorance than stupidity. Still waiting though…
“the way they treated me and fellow employees on my way out was like a kick in the nuts and i nor the Soldiers who witnessed it and fellow employees will ever forget that.” Here we go again. How about some facts? What did KBR do to you that was “like a kick in the nuts”? I know plenty of folks who have demobbed and kept in touch with me afterwards, some going on 4 years now. Not one of them was “kicked in the nuts” on the way out, not even the women!
“I am thoroughly convinced that more money with stability is the best way to go because you get treated like shit either way and I rather get on with fluor due to KBR’s wreck-less and radical sop.” The old X is better than Y argument. Go to Fluor then. I know more than a few guys and a gal, that left the “stability” of their nice camps in Iraq on the promise of more money. The old “grass is greener” saying comes to mind. Guess what? More than a few of them want to come back! I am actually helping two as we speak get back to Iraq. Have fun with DI or Fluor. If you are looking for stability, might I suggest you NOT work contract jobs in a war zone? Seriously…
“I have a book to write about corruption and scandal in TQ, Al Asad, Balad, Mosul, and so forth but will I? no.” No, you have a DUTY to report corruption, back then as well as now. You failed the first time, why not be successful now. Begin by exposing the corruption on this website and let Ms. Sparky take it from there. If it really happened, then it is your duty, what are you afraid of? Besides, with your grammar, you’d need a ghostwriter for your book anyway…
“all i know is that a person like you sugarcoating the shit makes me ill so you can downplay and ignore what really happened over there but we, the people know the truth!” I am not sugarcoating anything. This is my experience and mine alone. Your’s is your’s but some how it is all of a sudden “we, the people”! A little “high and mighty” yourself. Sorry to make you ill… take a Tylenol and drink water. Inside joke! You’d get it if you were really there. I didn’t and haven’t experienced any “shit” as you say. Did I see stupid mistakes? Sure, plenty of them in all areas. Was any of it criminal? None that I witnessed. If I had, I would have reported it as you should have. If you are not part of the solution, YOU are part of the problem.
“oh yeah i was also on a plane that blew an engine leaving biap for Baghdad and made an emergency landing all because KBR wanted to save a few dollars, it almost cost us our lives.” and I was at _____ when the _____ happened, all so _____ could save a few dollars. How about some more facts or are you just making this stuff up as you go along?
“I on the other hand stuck it out because i was in the Army and aint nothing better than serving and support my brothers and sisters in combat.” Big man, you stuck it out for the paycheck, you admitted as much when you revealed that you did nothing while surrounded by corruption and scandal. I know that if I had witnessed on-going corruption, I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing I did nothing to stop it or report it. Maybe that is why you are so angry? If that is the case, now is the time to bring your facts forward and let the cleansing power of sunshine absolve you of you guilt. You just might feel better about yourself and maybe even thank me. You’re welcome!
Now, if you don’t mind, I have to go to the gym and give my body a workout. G*d knows, my mind has gone a round or two tonight! Fighting ignorance and malice, one post at a time…
HQ on a more positive note, I never expereinced and negative actions on behalf of KBR while I was in theater. From the time I touched down in Houston to my first camp in Iraq, I was well taken care of. I never missed a pay period, no issues with HR, my living conditions, the food, nothing. My experience was a good one. KBR was very organized and knew how to handle a class of 400+ ppl. HQ I dont want to put my email on here but I would like you to know why I am no longer there of no fault of my own. My plan was to devote 4 years of service to KBR after my first tour, I said I could do this forever. Like I said, it was the best job i ever had. How many of us find a job that you love to go to in this lifetime, not many. I met friends not from my home town but from another country, now how cool is that, what kind of job gives you those perks, I miss it everyday and my doctor even took me off my HBP medication because I was no longer stressed out and finally found a job that I loved and that appreciated my service. So HQ you keep doing what you do and helping our soldiers and be safe out there. Thumbs up for KBR
Reporting the incidents were easy, getting passed the good ol’ boys wasnt! I would say my name but it aint happening but if anyone was in TQ in 2005-2006 they would Remember a certain all hands we had with the DPM and the site manager on down. Long story short while everybody was babbling on about needing smoke areas and moving from tents to hooches, I had a legitimate complaint about my son and his medical needs and how after 4 months the benefits i was paying for were not available to my family it was like i never even signed up. I asked for the microphone and the SM handed it to me and i begun to talk about HR screw ups as well as man hour mismanagement, time sheet fraud and so on….I refused to hand the mic back. They cut off the mic then i was escorted by my whole chain of command outside thinking that i was gonna be fired but instead Darrian Reeves calmed me down, explained that “that was not the way to do it” and assured me that my hr problems would be solved asap. The next day i received a call from hr personnel i never knew about stateside who stated that my benefits were put in effect immediately. I never kept quiet. I dont think i have to pull up the many lawsuits that kbr has pending as well. You are right everybody has their own experiences overseas as well as in life that doesnt mean you ignore facts. Acting like the good ol’ boys did not exist is like, the FBI acting like the KKK dont exist. If it didnt happen to you, fine. Just know it happened. As far as all the other stories, Ill be more than glad to tell them in person but im not for writing books. Like you said, I would need a ghostwriter right…lol i’d like to think i would need a well paid proof reader! with all this said it really dont matter im goin back and im sure i will have to put up with all the same BS again. oh yea, you took it to a whole other level quoting me then having a response for those quotes…smh I didnt want to make it seem that being with KBR/LSI was all bad but a lot of things out there weren’t right and a lot of issues got swept under the rug so i get irritated when someone tries to deny facts. your experience was yours and mine was mine!
KBR = Kenfolk, brothers and relatives..or as many a soldier would say; Keep bringing retards!
I work directly with many Soldiers (spelled with a capital S by the way) and all are very appreciative of the work we do for them. If it were any different, I would leave on the first flight out. Were you one of the early kinfolk, brothers and relatives you referred to above? Don’t bother answering, your grammer and spelling is a good give-away that you were. Disgruntled ex-KBRer as expected. See my comment above, it should speak to you….
I find it hard to believe that all former KBR employees are “whiny ex-KBRers” as KBR HQ Guy puts it. I am a former KBR employee that also worked his way up the food chain, all the way from Camden Yards at Camp Arifjan to Regional Operations in Kuwait and beyond.
I enjoyed my time with KBR but I can’t believe that someone as intellectual as KBR HQ Guy would have such blind faith to the point where the company can do no wrong. I find it ironic that he paints all former KBR employees that post on this board with the same “broad brush” that he perceives is used against KBR.
One more thing, please stop correcting grammar mistakes – you cannot teach an old dog new tricks and you have 2 grammar mistakes of your own on the post above. I wish for all who serve overseas to come home safely, civilians and non-civilians.
I have a grammar mistake?? I do my best…Where is it? – I went up and found I misspelled LOGCAP? How embarrassing! O n the grammar thing, sometimes I write like I talk… Keep me straight.
Not you Ms. Sparky, my post was aimed squarely at KBR HQ Guy and his disdain for former KBR employees. He seems to be under the impression that they are all worthless, uneducated piles of dirt.
No worries…I actually did have a typo. I read/manage the comments from a different page so I don’t always see the entire thread.
I always find it aggravating when people make those all inclusive statements. Like “ALL KBR Managers are @ssholes!” I know that’s not true. Like “ALL KBR employees are stupid lazy losers!” I know that’s not true. “Like ALL former KBR employees who voice complaints are just disgruntled ex-employees!” I know that’s not true. “Like ALL the soldiers are happy with KBR’s work!” There are so many variables in that how can anyone with half a brain say that.
KBR HQ GUY – you know you’re not supposed to drink straight ROWPU water….right?
Wow, I just saw this comment. See my reply below. I DO NOT feel this way at all. The folks making the stupid and almost inconherant comments with no facts at all, yes, I feel they are all disgruntled ex-KBRers. They typically make a disparaging remark followed by the sage advice of “don’t work for KBR”. Those are the folks I think of as “worthless, uneducated piles of dirt”. I may have a few gramtical errors, or typos, but you have to admit my posts are no where near those as I describe above and below, no where near. Having said that, I have worked with some folks in Iraq who have not had the best grasp of the English language. I don’t hold that against them and have even helped and seen them improve to the point that when they are later selected into a management role, they are not an embarassment to themselves or the company. At the same time, I have seen some in management who couldn’t care less about improving their writting skills and they ARE an embarassment and talked about and made fun of at every opportunity. I don’t want any of the people that worked with me ever to be in a situation like that and I go out of my way in helping them build up their skills by making them actually have to do it. I am the same way when it comes to learning and improving. It doesn’t happen by magic. On the other hand I have seen some supervisor specifically not let their workers improve their skills. They are deemed less of a threat if they don’t improve. What a way to make yourself better, by making others look bad. Not my way I guess.
I do my bet to not personally attack a person…unless of course they have committed a crime or just won’t back down. Anyone who’s been reading very long knows I am not thin skinned and can take quite a bit of abuse. Everyone has a different story. KBR, Dyncorp Fluor has some great people working for them in ALL areas. And they have some dirt bags in ALL areas.
Bantering back and forth on Ms Sparky is well and encouraged. But personal attacks don’t get us anywhere and people just stop talking and and start fighting. What good does that do. EVERYONE has something to offer. And as far as I’m concerned anyone who has worked for KBR has earned the right to complain or bitch about whatever they want. Sometimes all they need is just for someone to say “Yep….I totally know what you are talking about!”
I made some great friends in Iraq and I lost one too. Everyone comes home with different issues to deal with.
You need to take Reading 101. I never said ALL former KBR employees are “whiny ex-KBRers”. What I said was, “What I am tired of seeing if the broad brush applied to KBR by a bunch of sorry, whiny ex-KBRers.” I know plenty of ex-KBRers who have had a great experience working for KBR, just like I have. Those, you won’t hear or see post on forums like this because they have nothing bad to say. They did their jobs, made some money, made some friends and moved on with life. All it takes is a few disgruntled workers, right or wrong may they be, to post their perceived injustice and all the others seem to crawl out of the wood work to commiserate. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprise if a few of them posted under different ID on this forum. I have noticed seemingly similar stories and grammar.
I don’t “paint all former KBR employees that post on this board with the same “broad brush…” There are some that post on this forum that are like me and have had a great experience, they are just not as vocal. I tend to look on the optimistic side of life. I started out low in the chain. I was told to do some dumb things. They weren’t illegal, just things that could be done “smarter”. I did what I was told. On the other hand, I worked with others who felt that they should be the foreman or supervisor due to _____ fill in the blank. They constantly pissed and moaned and sometimes did it their way anyway. They weren’t bad people, just stupid in that they didn’t know how to properly test their limits. If you have worked with any company long enough, you know there is a right way to get someone or some entity to do what YOU want them to do and there is a wrong way. It’s pretty simple really. You do it the wrong way back in the real world, you might get away with it. Do it the wrong way on a contract job like LOGCAP and you are setting yourself up for failure. I haven’t kissed any butt since I have been here but I haven’t really pissed anyone off either. It should say something to have finished 5 years but there are plenty of other that have been here just as long if not much longer. Who knows? All I know is that I love my job and still want to work here and if that seems Polly-Annish or makes me the bad guy, so be it. It beats sitting at home in the states in front of your computer pissed off at the world or KBR at least! Now I have to go to the gym. Got to work off that wonderful, free DFAC food!
I commend you for 5 years of work experience with KBR KHQG, not many people make it that long – especially in the high-stress environment of Business Ops / HQ.
I had just taken issue with what I perceived to be a generalization of all former KBR employees that voice a complaint on this board. I also get tired of hearing negative comments and feel there has to be some good along with the bad.
For all of the negativity, people have to admit they made the most money ever in their lives, at least 85% of them. If you go to Thailand on R&Rand spend 15K and come back drunk and you get fired then yeah, they don’t need you. I had to deal with similar issues all day long when I worked Regional Ops.
To all of you working overseas, it is a privilege and I hope that you make the most of it. When someone incompetent gets promoted, when someone promotes a friend over someone qualified, when an arrogant manager pats him or herself on the back…just bite your tongue and say “yes sir”, “right away sir” and think of that check going into your bank account every month.
I sure miss the adrenaline rush of working with the military and sometimes I think that I would gladly go back – sometimes.
For some the money was very good. For others, not so much. No matter how good the money might be, many just have to draw a line in the sand when asked or demanded to do something illegal or unethical. Some can not keep their mouth shut while witnessing injustice. Personally I would rather live under a bridge than have to bite my tongue ever second of every day. I know you all may find this hard to believe, but I DID NOT keep my mouth shut when I witnessed something unsafe, unethical, immoral or unjust. I voiced my opinion, and to my embarrassment not always in a professional manner. But to his credit, I had a great manager who listened. Personally, I don’t know why KBR didn’t fire me. I was not shy about voicing my opinion.
Personally, I thought I was making a difference for the people I worked with and the client we supported. That’s why I stayed.
Ms. Sparky and Montecristo,
Sorry, to have come down as hard as I did. Let me be very clear. I DO NOT and never will have an issue with anyone that voices a legitimate claim of injustice by KBR or KBR management. I think every claim made with supporting facts should be investigated fully. My problem is with the people who want to bash KBR just because that is what they want to do for fun. They make no rational arguments, usually making some disparaging remark in poor grammar and incoherent sentences. Look at Johngal’s (and many others just like it) comment right below. Does he have any other reason to comment other than as a disgruntled ex-KBRer? Either that or maybe he works for DI, Fluor, etc. Who knows? I do know he brings nothing to the table other than to stir the pot. I see the same thing in politics these days from all sides. I guess I am just sick and tired of it. Someone have a legitimate gripe against KBR, DI, Fluor? Great! Bring it to the table and let’s discuss. I really want to know what is going on in all areas of contracting as well as the individual companies. Information is the key to success and as far as I am concerned, the more the better. That is what I love about this site and why I spend my precious few free hours checking in EVERY day after I get off from work. I can’t check at work because the site is banned. The information I have gleaned from other folks posting saved me a lot of grief when I was considering jumping ship to go work for DI in Afghanistan. If I hadn’t found this website when I did, I probably would have accepted the offer given me last summer. I can now see what a disaster that would have been! Glad you were here Ms. Sparky! I love my job and I love working for KBR. If it were any other way, I would move on. I don’t expect my experience to be the same for everyone, that would be unrealistic. However, I also don’t expect everyone to have been put through the ringer of horror stories you see mentioned on this site. Just my 2 centavos.
Stop your whining. KBR, Fluor, Dyncorp and the rest of them do hire in-laws, friends, etc.
Most of them are competent, but some are illiterate idiots and are incompetent of doing their jobs.
keep away from kbr robbing b——s at all they can make from there employees is there nobody in the goverment got the balls to stand up and prosecute there crooks
Another illiterate ex-KBRer. With all the money you earned over there, you should have thought about taking some time off once back in the states and finishing high school. Maybe you would be a lot happier. Just saying…
Here is some kbr bullshit. I was a supervisor in the greenzone. I was told that the client ( US Army) had control of the building we worked out of,this was in camp travis. The client said, he was the fob ncoic, that a security contractor, sabre, could stay in one of the rooms that was in this building. To make a long story short the guy that was staying in the room left part of a 9 mm in his room when kbr security did an inspection and since I was the supervisor guess what happened? Yep!! I was given the opertunity to demob or get fired!!
Hey Into the fire!!
I was offered the job of escort for EG&G as an escort. it’s 40,000 a year. You pay your way home for R&R and everything. If you want email me at banksb40@yahoo.com and I will send you the intire packet they sent me. It was bad enough dodging mortars and rockets in iraq for 80 grand a year but to go to afganistan for 40 grand a year?? NOT!!!
be advised Fluor is taking forever to process in there greenville HQ weather it is CAC card or LOA, who knows the SF 85 seems to be the delay but, im told in roumor mil over staffed and living conditions are, at times unacceptable, but getting a bit better if ya can escape Bagram,a nd get to a saml FOB. hiring wise has slowed down. I sometimes think short term a mistake ot go with fluor but hopeful in long term it will be better.
I’m hearing Fluor is not the company it used to be, what with all the KBR influence. Fluor has always been known for taking care of their employees. From what I hear that’s not the case now. What’s the real scoop?
What do you get when you add a RED lanyard and BLUE lanyard…FBR, seems the DCMA in Afghanistan shows up AFTER transistion…go figure and seems to me that Flour is poluted with KBR style management, low moral, due to un acceptable living conditions,..it is what it is..i have been around long enough to know what f-ed up and what not..lucky the US economy id meesed up and lucky many from balkin need jobs too…Fluor,…time wil tel how this project affects there good name…
HEY HQ GUY AND WHOEVER ELSE IS OUT HERE COMMENTING AND HAVING , ALL KINDS OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS . OKAY PLEASE EXCUSE MY TYPOS IMAKE THEM ALL THE TIME, IAM TRYING TO WORK, I WOULD TAKE ANY HELP GETTING BACK ON WITH KBR,BEEN TRYING AND APPLYING FOR 9 MNTHS, IF ANYONE CAN HELP I THANK YOU ,AND I THIN PEOPLE CAN AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE, I WANT TAKE CARE MY FAMILY THTS ALL. THANKS
Looks like KBR has excelled in their training program at HQ. Threats, intimidation and chest pounding apparently are still required courses for management wannabes. It’s too bad the same effort isn’t put towards supporting injured employees and their families that are facing foreclosure and financial ruin do to AIG etc..
Oh yeah widows, orphans and electrocuted soldiers fall under the it’s not our fault clause.
HQ Guy, give them all a few DAY OFF..without pay..maybe then they will see the light. Yes i too worked for KBR for over 4 yrs, not many complaints, jsut i had trouble building my “network” from the ground up…no complaints. KBR was good to me, and i did my job…If you treat others as you want to be treated..or as the old schoolers might say..”the golden rule” translated into KBR acronym Dignity and Respect…ok.until next time on the same “bat” channer at the same “bat” time..i must now go check in with the commissioner Ruter or the slinger himself…with a L
Anyone know the pay rates for Dyn-Intl for Afghanistan???