Fluor’s LOCAP IV offer for KBR employees in Afghanistan
Below are notes from a meeting of a current KBR employee at Kabul, Afghanistan. The meeting was held on October 6, 2009 and was about the Fluor / ITT / KBR transition and how it will affect current KBR employees. The notes are as I received them except for minor formatting changes and I added “(Flour)” in several places for clarification. There is also some “scuttle butt” that KBR LOGCAP III Afghanistan will now report to Houston and not Baghdad. Can anyone confirm or deny that rumor.
GENERAL INFO
- (Flour)Taking Over 62 FOB’s and Starting 20 New FOB’s
- They(Flour) Will Make Us Verbal Offers First, If Accepted, And then They Will Notify KBR for KBR Out Processing.
- Pay 80% Uplift on 1st 40 Hours
- Bi Weekly Pay Periods – Pay Direct Deposited Into Bank(s) of Choice
- No Cash Advances
- Must Apply Online
- Sign-On Bonus $2,500.00 (In Your First Check), Must Be Returned If You Do Not Complete Your Year.
- End Of Year; You Get A Completion Bonus Of $3,000.00
R&R’s
- You Get 4 R&Rs Per Year (1 Every 91 Days)
- R&R has to be taken Every 6 Months. (Fluor / ITT Make You Take 1 At Least Every 6 Months)
- $4,250.00 Paid for R&R; You Must Buy Own Ticket From Dubai. 40% uplift While on R&R on for Weekdays, Weekends Not Counted.
- Free Trip to Dubai (They (Flour) Pay For 1st Day Out and 1st Day In From R&R plus Per Diem For Food)
- R&R’s Are 9 Days Plus 4 Travel Days (They (Flour) Don’t Count Weekends In Your Nine Days, And You Don’t Get Paid For Them Either)
- 4th R&R You Get The $4,250.00 And The $3,000.00 End of Year Bonus. (If You Decide To DeMob Before 45 Days
- After End Of Years R&R, They (Flour) Take Back The $4,250.00 But Pay Your Ticket Home)
BENEFITS
- 401K (Not Matched Dollar For Dollar)
- Medical / Dental
- Vision
- Company Paid 50K Life Insurance
- Company Paid 50K AD&D Insurance
- Company Paid Short Term and Long Term Disability
- EAP Assistance
I can not confirm the accuracy of these notes. If anyone else wants to chime in with what they’ve been told, that would great. If you have a question, ask it in the comments. If you know the answer….answer it. That way everyone gets the info.
Ms Sparky
Other Related Posts From Ms Sparky
- Dyncorp & DRS Technology employees killed in Afghanistan (Updated 9/13/2010)
- Employees can’t transfer without offer and BMI of less than 40
- Employees frustrated with LOGCAP IV transition in Afghanistan
- Is Dyncorp hiring employees or asking for volunteers in Afghanistan?
- Will KBR Employees in Iraq and Afghanistan Get Their Raises?
Thursday, January 14th 2010 at 4:53 pm |
Good question: What does Flour base the trades test on UPC UMC NEC? What about the Engineering, CAD and GIS technicians or is that jobbed out to another company such as RMS/IAP and CH2M-HILL? I do know a person has to have an upper level clearance to work for those companies.
Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 4:29 am |
You can make thisjob for what is or leave it! I understand Ms. Sparky more than you know thanks for the break-down welcome to Americas way of doing things! Can you do better in the United States! These jobs are compensated far well over our armed forces,if you’re looking for justice,then come back and work in our country! And while you’re at it,volunteer to help the elderly,homless and other dire situations HERE! Good luck in your quest for fairness!
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 5:55 am |
NCCER
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 6:17 am |
fluorsuper,
i spoke to my rec yesterday and was told not all trades have to take the nccer test, im going in as a hvac mech, and they said i do not, what do you think on that note..
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 9:05 am |
HHHMMM, well when I went thru, HVAC, Plumbers, Electrical were having to take it. All HVAC were Foreman and above, Plumbers were basic to Superintendents.
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 11:21 am |
well im soon to find out, with your info i will just be well informed and ready, rec always dont tell you everything, i found that out with kbr, may i ask how do you like it with fluor?
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 12:53 pm |
My husband loves working with Fluor coming from KBR! I hope that this will improve,morale,behavior,respect,WSC,and intelligent in general conversation. It is no picnic over there! Something you have to understand, These are Federal Global projects. Adhere to them,and do your upmost best. War is big business and whether we have a opinion,we leave that to our superiors. The white House,so forth and so on. The list is endless. It’s a sacrifice to help support our armed forces and their familys! So shut up and put up. Follow orders if not abused. Conditions are bad. But Afgh is not the Hoilday Inn,man up and do your job! And make the best of your conditions as a civilian representing Enduring Freedom!
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 1:07 pm |
As long as the company (any company) is not abusing the employee, SCW/TCN’s or the client and is not committing fraud or putting out shoddy work that endangers our troops and our civilians, is not violating their contract or whatever laws apply then….yes….suck it up, Afghanistan is not “Jamaica man”.
If any of the above mentioned issues are happening then yes…raise hell. Working in the middle east is not for everyone.
Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 5:15 am |
Exactly! The ME is not for EVERYONE! Not only dirty,waiting for showers dealing with other mangers chain,don’t do this ,can’t do this . It’s also your CLR level too. of command in your duties it’s a b****finding time to do simple things,allowing the time to take care of yourselves and families! It is harder on some families back home to put up with this BS.. as well! I am an ex-USAF brat so i’m flexiable! But I still don’t like the life of being a wife whose husbands’ always away! It is what it is. Certifications,know hows and all that jazz does mean something!Good luck to all you and hope you find the answer within yourselves!
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 1:49 pm |
nikki,
I have been to afghan, Iraq both with KBR. also i have learned with KBR to do my job and make zero waves.. if you get my drift. i will be going back as a hvac tech so im going to be busy. that is a good thing..thanks for the info on what it like for your husband thats a good thing to hear.
Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 7:50 am |
As you can tell i was raised in the USAF. I don’t mean to come across a wild woman! But running a household and a relationship miles a way is the preverbial B*** buster. We always try to be up beat and positive no matter what. I support the Fed. civilians who are trying to make a better place for ALL! While enduring Freedom. and lets leave it as that.. Thank-you for well taken feed-back! Continue success!
Monday, June 28th 2010 at 10:46 am |
yes you do take the NCCER test – it is not an opt.
if you don’t pass -so what – if you don’t pass it by the time you leave then your pay is reduced to a helper grade { 3rd country}
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 12:22 pm |
To: FlourSuper,
I can see were a few might have an issue passing the NCCER Test Assessments. It looks like it’s based upon what is taught in UMC, UPC and NEC Code classes, maybe with a few areas that aren’t covered in great detail. This will no doubt weed out most of the pretenders.
To: Smitty:
If Flour HR even said you don’t have to take the test, I would wager most of the applicants failed the test as when KBR stopped using the WABI because of a similar scenario.
Friday, January 15th 2010 at 1:39 pm |
baboo,
Yes i remember the wabi test passed both times and i am very glad that they are doing something about peps that have zero clue about there jobs. i hated telling my foreman how something needed to be done becuase he didn’t understand how it worked. oh ya and to top it off when i was in iraq at a fob.. most of the other management told me to apply for a foreman job in my trade and my camp manager turned it down becuase i was not in country long enough, made me mad but i buckeled down and did my job.. i have cert in my trade and have been doing it for 5 years so im not to worried if there is a test or not.
Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 12:04 am |
Hello All,
Does anyone have a phone number or email address to a Fluor recruiter?. I’m currently a logisitcs coordinator working with KBR in Iraq. I would like to switch over and work for FLUOR as soon as possible.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Saturday, January 16th 2010 at 7:54 am |
You must be kidding?That info should be obtained easily as Apple pie?! Are you familiar with internal professional networking? Give it a try! Good luck in your search.
Sunday, October 24th 2010 at 2:31 am |
Wow…what an A-hole response. If you know the info, help someone out…instead of some arrogant, dickhead response!
Monday, January 25th 2010 at 1:36 pm |
Hi there,
I’m former KBR employee, unfortunately I was terminated from my supervisor for one stupid reason. Do you think that I will have problems if I try to get a job with Fluor?
I have been trying with Fluor for few months by no luck so far ?
Any respond will be greatly appreciated
Wednesday, February 3rd 2010 at 5:15 pm |
Having recently departed Fluor as a member of the HR Transition Team in Afghanistan, I can tell you this in regard to your question regarding whether or not Fluor (or any other company for that matter) will choose to consider you as a candidate: it depends on the severity of the incident for which you were terminated.
Having had access to literally thousands of confidential files, and in my experience as the (former) HR File Room Lead for KBR at Joint Base Balad (June 2008 to September 2009), I can tell you that terminations for a first time infraction of policies, procedures, rules or regulations, were the exception, rather than the rule.
Usually, termination counseling’s were administered only after progressive disciplinary measures failed to make an impression sufficient enough to motivate the individual into voluntarily correcting their aberrant behavior, and acknowledge the expectation going forward, that they must conduct themselves in a manner which actively reflects acceptance of personal accountability for their actions.
In other words, people weren’t usually fired for a first time infraction of policies unless the infraction rose to the level of being particularly egregious in some way, (i.e. physical assault, certain instances of creating a hostile work environment, etc.), or, a safety violation which resulted in the endangerment of their life or others.
I would say 99% of the termination counseling’s I witnessed were the result of more than just one isolated instance of a momentary lapse in judgment, but rather were the culmination of a continuing pattern of behavior.
There was one case however, of a gentleman (and I use the term loosely), who “voiced” his displeasure with the curriculum of the TTM School House, by stepping to the front of the class room, and in front of everyone in attendance, unceremoniously raised one cheek of his derriere toward the instructor whilst simultaneously releasing a violent stream of flatulence, and proclaimed in a tone fraught with contempt said, (and I quote), “THAT’S what I think of your class.” (All caps intentionally used for emphasis.)
I wasn’t privy to the seating arrangements he chose upon his departure, post haste.
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Wednesday, February 3rd 2010 at 7:16 pm |
So Logmaster what was your impression with the Fluor personnel and management. Pro/Con or yet to be seen? I enjoy your stories about your old experiences in Iraq.
Friday, July 9th 2010 at 10:37 pm |
Does anyone have a phone number or email address to a Fluor recruiter?. I’m currently a container managment working with Dyn-corp in Afg. I would like to switch over and work for FLUOR as soon as possible.
Friday, July 23rd 2010 at 8:52 am |
Do you have recruiter from Dyncorp.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 7:00 pm |
Usually as long as it is something small and petty they dont even have it on your file back at corporate when and if they do the employment checks. I would not worry about it. KBR doesnt really have decent records. Alot of whaat the Supervisor have just goes into files into containers and will probrobly be looked at in about 50 years. So put in for it at Fluor and good luck.
Wednesday, February 3rd 2010 at 7:13 pm |
first as with any contractor you MUST have your resume on there web site, http://www.workatfluor.com, then listen and network the phone numbers are useless unless jobs posted, apply on line and try to get a live phone, it a long process, more so then KBR so don’t jsut up and quit..otherwise your not treated like a “private” but are help accountable for your actions, good luck
Thursday, February 4th 2010 at 5:41 am |
Vision is not included with Fluors’ or how some call it (Flour)?! FYI. Listen to” all hands”,above mentioned. Any and all contracting done in the ME will always have bumps and curves. Is there a perfect society? If we want to act stupid and arrogant and lack of respect,ethos in theater that’s how you’re going to get treated. Its a balancing act with a fine line of tuning? Practice this with all certifications and degrees. You are there to support “Enduring Freedom”! That entails EVERY aspect of logistics and infrastructure. Adapt and you’ll be fine,especially the ones that have been there for some years. Again good luck in your quest!
Thursday, February 4th 2010 at 2:29 pm |
Well everyone I must say that Never in a million years did I think it was going to be difficult in obtaining Employment in Afghanistan. “Oh how I was Wrong” I must have applied for nearing 40 req’s with Fluor/Dyncorp/ITT and PAEGroup in the IT/Telecommunication field thus far to hear NOTHING.. This is very frustrating..
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Sunday, April 18th 2010 at 12:39 pm |
Try DRS Technologies – http://www.drs.com.
Monday, February 8th 2010 at 9:04 pm |
I just know that you are not the only one…I’m in same situation like you ziddo
Friday, February 12th 2010 at 3:11 am |
Same as KBR, but you know … smarter, … learned from KBR’s mistakes.
Friday, February 12th 2010 at 4:22 am |
Exactly Dejan…be patient! There is alot of people still waiting….
Thursday, April 1st 2010 at 6:48 am |
I am so frustrated with KBR and so is my husband. He is a carpenter; with more than 25 years of experience in this field and a general foreman back here in the states for several years in charge of several million dollar projects. It just amazes me that he can’t be promoted to something more in Iraq. He has been told several times it is because of the lack of experience of his supervisors and other co-workers that they need someone in the field that actually knows what they are doing.
The pay is not that great, and recently he was informed that Fluor will be taking over the contract in Iraq by August 2010.
Would it be to his benefit to apply now to Fluor or wait until the transition in August? I would also like to see him in a position that he is qualified for too, and wondering what he should apply for. Please let me know. Thank you.
Thursday, April 1st 2010 at 7:01 am |
To the best of my knowledge the LOGCAP IV contract for BLS North and South in Iraq haven’t been awarded yet. But, this is very typical of KBR’s promotion system and it happened to me as well on one occasion. I wasn’t even given the opportunity to interview for an Electrical General Foreman (actually functioning as foreman) even though I more than had the experience and was currently at a foreman pay grade. But I know that my current manager depended on me for the work I was currently doing. So basically I was penalized for being competent. Unfortunately this happens all too often and that is how the the management pool gets so polluted. There is really nothing that can be done about it because KBR’s entire selection process is skewed toward the hiring managers buddy even though KBR may try to appear they aren’t.
From what I understand he will still need to have an application in with Fluor when they transition. I’d just do that now and get it out of the way.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 7:04 pm |
Fluor will get rid of the managers always so he might have a chance after that to be promoted. KBR is like that and so is VSE. SOmetimes the Supervisors and Managers might not know much they are just t here to supervise or manage. Same as VSE they think they can manage or the know about a truck but they dont didly about trucks , But the mechanics do and that is what gets the managers and supervisors by with there jobs. The worker lets them know all that is going on , right or wrong and the mgr and supervisor just say yup or nope and the worker makes the right decision to save the supervisors or mgrs tail. SOmething like that. Good luck and I hope your husband gets a promotion when fluor takes over
Saturday, February 13th 2010 at 6:07 am |
Fluor is currently holding job fairs in the Balkans for future Afghaniland employees… Soooo, if you’re thinking about how many TCN’s are currently on LCIII; wait till you see whats in store for LCIV..
Saturday, February 27th 2010 at 7:18 pm |
I understand that it is cost efficient for Fluor to hire Balkan personnel (no offense) but what about the people who have more credentials and experience than those people?
Saturday, February 27th 2010 at 7:21 pm |
That is a valid point. But regardless of whether they are more or less qualified. The DoD should hire the people who will be filling their budgets with US tax dollars. The Bosnians or any other TCN won’t! HIRE AMERICANS FIRST!
Saturday, February 27th 2010 at 7:34 pm |
MsSparky, I know me and among hundreds of other Americans are trying to wait for “the call” while recruiters goes to other country and give away positions like candies. I think it is far double standards. So what does it takes for people like me, other than a great resume with not just “bullets” of duties performed but with “achievements” to get noticed by recruiters? Perhaps, changing my name into Balkan would kick it up a notch. I know someone who got hired because the recruiter lives in the same area as the candidate. Well, welcome to LOGCAP politics.
Saturday, February 27th 2010 at 7:41 pm |
I recommend you contact Senator Daniel Inouye and ask him to contact Secretary Gates and ask him to stop this ridiculous practice of giving American jobs away to foreigners. What exactly is this doing for the US economy?
Saturday, February 27th 2010 at 10:08 pm |
I agree! Give the jobs to the Americans first! But my friends there is alot of loop holes out there.Besides,8 .8 on the reichter scale. It’s all about politics.Do you know how to play?!
Monday, May 17th 2010 at 3:26 pm |
These contacts are mostly awarded to the lowest cost bidder. The only way to keep the cost down is through TCN’s and HCN’s. The only way to give these jobs to taxpayers is make the government change the rules, they are the ones driving the bus
Monday, February 22nd 2010 at 6:00 pm |
Hello i worked for KBR as a rowpu operator and i did it in the Army but i applied for all water supply jobs but i havent had any luck does any one have any suggestions besides just keep applying
Monday, February 22nd 2010 at 7:29 pm |
Hi Matthew – It may be useful to check out another article and the accompanying comments and replies here: http://mssparky.com/2010/02/resume-advice-for-logcap-job-seekers/
Tuesday, February 23rd 2010 at 4:38 am |
The process is very different then LCIII, SF 85 required, and must be approved before one can deploy, it may take 50 days or 120 days after turned in to process once you begin, I know a good resume helps, to get started, E mail is best for recuirters now cause of the work flow, nothing happens overnight, and i would keep my present job until i was sure everything was being done and completed timely.
Saturday, February 27th 2010 at 9:58 pm |
E-mail is how it’s done. It is alot of work but somehow yhou can manage to get a few out there via e-mails. Recuiters do respond faster,if you’re lucky you’ll numerous phone calls(interviews)! Good luck,ya’ll.
Friday, April 30th 2010 at 12:43 am |
Is it true Fluor Afghanistan Transition HR will only hire KBR LCIII employees in Afghanistan? If you are LCII Iraq but TDY in Afghanistan you must process through Greenville?
Is it true Fluor is having problems getting CAC for employees? That there is a 2 month backlog in Greenvile?
Thanks, I need this info to see if I am just being feed a line by KBR.
Mario
Saturday, May 1st 2010 at 4:41 am |
the answer to Marios’ question on the latest blog is”Yep”. Greenville,S.C.
Monday, May 17th 2010 at 10:36 am |
I want to know how do I go about locating a recruiter for ITT or Fluor? I just constantly continue to chase my tail.
Monday, May 17th 2010 at 4:43 pm |
Sand: Recruiters don’t accept applications or resume’s submitted to them directly by potential candidates. Applications must be submitted via the proper channel, which is through the company website. Occasionally, the email address for one of my team members would get out to the general public when I was with the Fluor HR Transition Team in Afghanistan, but without exception it would be deleted. Sending a resume directly to a recruiter is shooting one’s self in the foot.
The application, selection, and candidate process can be long and arduous, but that is the means the LOGCAP employers have set in place.
Monday, May 17th 2010 at 7:18 pm |
It is very hard now days to get on broad with fluor. The Government is doing exstinece back ground and finger print. I have been here in South Caroline for 5 weeks now and still waiting on my CAC card and LOA to leave to fly over their. But it is not Fluor they would love to get people out as quick as possible. Its the government they our very short staff and doing approveals for three different companys Fluor, KBR and Dyna Corp. Fluor is only bringing in about 25 people a week and most of them are Sub Contractor like ITT and Suprime. Just send your resume VIA their Web Site and hope for the best
Tuesday, May 18th 2010 at 4:43 am |
Danny are you getting any compensation for standby time with Fluor?
Tuesday, August 17th 2010 at 3:57 am |
Yes unlike Keep Bags Ready, Fluor does pay their employees while processing. You get a weekly check plus per diem. Fluor now is only accepting CAC ready applicants.
Tuesday, May 18th 2010 at 9:08 am |
Well – an almost pure Fluor thread. Hmm- what kind of seed can I plant to play Havoc here. Well to start with…KBR is good, KBR is great…for goodness sake…dont hate. Anyway – enough with the comedy…bad comedy….Hows the Fluor things working out 4 ya? KBR still has 18 months in Iraq. yep – A par is coming and a lot of folks will be getting ckn or pasta soon, but that is how the game is played. All joking aside, all you folks that are with Flour – I wish you the best in Afg and please stay safe and keep your heads down. I agree with Sparky…few and far between – but I do agree- HIRE AMERICAN!!! Put those tax dollars back into the US economy. Ok Spark….your turn.
Tuesday, May 18th 2010 at 11:14 am |
I had actually hoped to be hired by CH2M Hill but I’m not sure that will come through now. I went through the interview, salary negotiations and was told the call could come at any time, but they haven’t called and I have had no further contact form the recruiter over the last 4 weeks.
I have a friend who I worked with before who is currently in Afghanistan with Fluor as a Mechanical Super. He said I can use him as a reference, which I have already added to my resume. Is there any way to get this reference in front of a recruiter? I know there is some value to having a current employee vouch for you, but the Fluor website only has a selection to show ‘referred to position by current employee’ but doesn’t ask who that person is.
I have 30 years in construction with the last 4 on US Embassy projects. I’m looking for something in Construction Management and feel I’m qualified (of course, doesn’t everyone?) but from the Fluor website, it shows they haven’t even looked at my resume, only filed it electronically.
I’m hoping someone can tell me a way to get my Fluor reference out in front of a recruiter. I’m hoping that’s all I need to do to get noticed and my resume should take care of the rest.
Thanks to anyone who can offer advice
Monday, July 12th 2010 at 3:32 pm |
can a convicted felon work for any of the contractors in iraq or afganastan please tell me if you know
Tuesday, August 17th 2010 at 4:02 am |
felons; HELL NO. they have weeded out several from Fluor over the last four months. We had child molesters, DWI’s felony assault, and even a murderer. I agree felons should not get ANY opportunity to work as a GC. I am sure there is a carwash in your hometown that is looking for towel boys.
Monday, October 25th 2010 at 10:23 am |
Maybe he should go rob a bank to support himself and his family? Don’t be a dick … dick.
Monday, July 12th 2010 at 6:29 pm |
You have to be able to complete an sf -85 for a government background check. I’m going through an sf-86!!Whew!!!!!
Monday, July 12th 2010 at 6:31 pm |
As a felon…….probably not?
Tuesday, August 17th 2010 at 12:07 am |
The only good thing i can say about KBR,is your money was there every month.Anyone have any news about the other companies.How to get hired
Tuesday, August 17th 2010 at 8:53 am |
If anyone has any questions about KBR,in Iraq, i CAN HELP.
Thursday, August 19th 2010 at 8:26 am |
Hey, does anyone know of any recruiters’ numbers with Fluor?? I am really ready to start!
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 6:47 am |
Contracting Sucks. They all lie to us. No matter what they say. Its a lie. They steal money, money and more money. They only do things for themselves,using US Government money. Which is taxpayer dollars. Wake up and smell the coffee, The Military better make a stand, The US Government better make a stand, these companies are running all over everyone and getting away with Billions and Billions of dollars. Fire all of the Contracting officers, And throw them in Jail, Fire and arrest all or most of the Project Managers, and Assistant Project Managers. Make everyone sign for everything the use or get for accountability. Fire the trouble Managers, Supervisors who dont know (#$it), yeah alot of you out there dont know a Damn thing. Most of the people being the freakin desk play games or are on EBAY all day or night, And the ones going to meetings are usually somewhere else #&*king off, Meetings is only an excuse to mail @*#t out. And dont cuss the Gov or Military at meetings they are the ones who give you the contracts if you perform correctly or within reason. Don’t blame the regular employees for everything, take some blame yourself, you are not perfect and you will never be perfect. And your second hand man, get him out your @ss so you can tell him in the face your an a32hole stop treating the workers like they are criminals. I am done with contracting for now, until some people stand up and make a stand for what is right, instead of trying to make a name for yourself. Be a real man, Dont be and #SS. Ok. If your going to contract out, read everything you sign. If its wrong don’t do it. If you want to do the right thing, and dont want to get others in trouble walk away.
Saturday, August 28th 2010 at 3:43 am |
Anyone currently with Fluor or processing, I would like to ask you a couple of questions ref HVAC. Thanks. wp427mp@gmail.com
Saturday, August 28th 2010 at 6:01 am |
WHP, it appears the Ex-pat is an endangered breed unless you are Foreman and even then there are many Macedonians, Bosnians in those positions. The ex pats are not having most of their contracts renewed as the first year is already here for some and they were let go. I would suggest you apply and find others who have done this and when you do not get called file a Class Action Title VII violation
Saturday, August 28th 2010 at 8:48 am |
The US government pushes for low cost. Ex-pats are not low cost. If you want to file suit. There is also an initiative called Afghan First. Companies have to justify why they aren’t using Afghan labor for a job.
Friday, September 3rd 2010 at 1:14 am |
does anyone have a rec i can speak to..If so pls give me there number..I am currently deployed, getting out as soon as we get back stateside..thanks
Sunday, September 26th 2010 at 11:20 pm |
does anyone have a rec i can speak to..If so pls give me there number..I am currently deployed, getting out as soon as we get back stateside..thanks
Wednesday, October 13th 2010 at 6:44 pm |
ITT Fluor is a rip off. They offered KBR employees a position…knowing full well they planned on replacing everyone with cheaper employees from Bosnia. My daughter was offered a contract to go from KBR to Fluor and took it even though it meant a pay DECREASE. YES…a pay decrease… from $8,000.00 a month to $6,000.00 a month. After she signed the contract …along with others they announced that on the first R*R they would have to have a medical ck up and if they are over weight… .(*but they told them they could ask for a waiver and when they returned to work they could lose the wt) they get canned…. And if that happens you’re out of luck getting your personal belongings back. She went on leave in Europe… thinking she had a job to come back to… they didn’t send her any email saying otherwise. When she returned to Dubai, they asked her why she was there. She said she didn’t get an email. They back dated a letter and sent it to her by email that same day. They told her that her personal stuff was shipped back home. Apparently they called someone at her post… that day… they went to her room gathered up her stuff….what they didn’t steal…and dumped it off at her office…. Still … how is she supposed to get it… Then she remained under contract until 2 months later… her pay stubs all said zero… They paid her part of her bonus ($2000.00) and now they want it back… This is why ITT Fluor got the contract from our government… They had a lower bid… and now you know why…OUT SOURCING…. almost everyone that went with ITT Fluor from KBR…either quit or went back to KBR in a different job….OUT SOURCING OUR JOBS JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER AMERICAN COMPANIES… ONLY THE ARMY IS PAYING THEM….Only in American can Americans get screwed by the government twice from the same company… LIEING to the government and employees just to get a contract…..
Wednesday, October 13th 2010 at 7:05 pm |
Because of ms. Sparky’s post I have weighed my options at every level concerning these contractors.This being said, I have turned down 2 LOGCAP offers and 2 Kuwait offers, yep,Fluor and Dyncorp, CSA and AECOM, even though they are the same I got offers from both. I am going back to Iraq but with a contractor that so far has been great. When they say an HR representative has been assigned to YOU, that makes difference. I am not going back in my field but this company is paying for my training so I believe there are other options out there besides these companies that look for the cheapest way out, FN’s, and that all you have to do is keep putting out those resumes and DO NOT take the first thing that is offered. Good luck to everyone there and be safe!
Wednesday, October 13th 2010 at 7:23 pm |
I am so glad you found something other than the “Big 3″ and CSA. Good luck and keep us posted.
Sunday, October 24th 2010 at 4:23 am |
sure if you could tell me the name of the company.
Rappanicholas@yahoo.com
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 8:28 pm |
Hey Buddy-How about the name of this great company.Rappanicholas@yahoo.com
Thursday, October 14th 2010 at 4:15 am |
And watch out for medical issues. Flour will not take you back even if you have been cleared by your Dr. Several people trying to get back with KBR have complained about being let go by Fluor because they had a medical issue requiring attention. When they tried to go back they were told the position was no longer available and for them to re-apply. Fluor is trying it’s darndest to get rid of all ex-KBR (non Manager) employees and their doing a good job at it. Doggy-dog.
Thursday, October 14th 2010 at 5:13 am |
I will say this about What has to say. Fluor seems to be setting a pattern. I wish Ms Sparky would set up a site where we all could go to for registering. Then see a legal firm for a class action. It is apparent that Fluor is discriminating US workers and violationg Title 7 for such discriminating. It is a Federal contract all should remember. They use the excuse position no longer available yet they keep on bringing in more TCNs. I think it is about time “we” got together and showed our will for once and stopped the whining and start taking action.
Sunday, October 24th 2010 at 4:24 am |
Iagree with you
Thursday, October 14th 2010 at 5:38 am |
I say this to Pat. Take Fluor to court, Small Claims. They are good for suing up to 15,000 usually. I will explain how. Go to courthouse and file. You must serve Fluor’s “registered agent” in your state. They have 30 days to reply. They will probably wait until last minute to reschedule hearing. Expect this as it is normal. Judges are usually fair minded and see thru BS. I know one can win when a case is presented in a clear manner. Fluor has no written policy on demobing people this way. Make sure you subpoena all she knows from where she worked at. Also, any letters she has subpoena those people also to certify that they sent them. It also will make it more expensive for Fluor and if the witnesses do not show it will buttress your side. Just do not ask for the 2000 and belongings also ask for damages as well. Been there and done this. You can win in court. If I remember , if Fluor let’s you go “without cause” you keep the allowance. They asked for it back, HMMM!!
Thursday, October 14th 2010 at 8:34 am |
How can Fluor backdate a letter? Isn’t that illegal? I have to believe in what comes around goes around when things like this happen.
Thursday, October 14th 2010 at 11:11 pm |
I think it’s safe to say Fluor is slowly taking over KBR’s place in questionable practices but this is all by design. They had a master plan when they took over and it is slowly transpiring. Everyone thought it was going to be so much better than it was with KBR and yes, for a moment or two they were probably correct however, those good times are quickly going away. If you’re on R&R, there’s a great chance you’ll receive a notification not to come back. The reason we don’t get more complaints from employees is because Fluor blocks most websites like Ms. Sparky (taking a page from KBR.) People were forewarned about the possibility of what is quietly starting to come out about Fluor. Why isn’t anyone reporting all the Expats sleeping around with TCN’s at Bagram? Why? Because, they complain they get canned.
Thursday, October 14th 2010 at 11:33 pm |
People have complained about Dave Rush and others sleeping around. Fluor’s answer has been to move people out to other sites. It was alright for Rush to have a separate Bhut away from Fluor village then he was promoted and has his own conex now at the Head Shed. He was sleeping with a Sargeant Major and giving away plywood and doing ‘favors” i.e. jobs done with carpenters so he could get some on the side. A carpenter asked him once how could he tell his wife he loved her on the phone and then go out and dee his girlfriend. He was transferred out rather quickly by that question. He works in the burn pit now. Making more money than a carpenter does. No questions were asked about why Rush does what he do. KBR all over again.
Thursday, October 14th 2010 at 11:54 pm |
Fluor needs to be sued with a big Class Action
Sunday, October 24th 2010 at 2:50 am |
What is the base pay for an Operations Manager in Afghanistan with Fluor?
Monday, October 25th 2010 at 5:15 pm |
If one looks around Fluor now one sees less Filipinos around now. It seems that they saw what was here with Fluor and started seeking work elsewhere. Many have gone to Dyncorp for the money. A PPI supervisor gets $700/month and one R and R in 24 months whereas at Dyncorp he will get $1100/month and more R and Rs. PPI/APS seem to be having contract problems. One told me that since Fluor has contracts in the Philipines thisis why they do not directly hire because the government will cancel those contracts. He said he asked his Conressman about if he works for PPI then why does he answer to fluor site managers? Does he not work then for Fluor was his question? Fluor’s stellar reputation will be tarnished quite a bit by the time their contract is over as the truths come out.
Monday, October 25th 2010 at 10:04 pm |
I’m an American contractor…looking for those dollar figures. I make 15K a month now, but my contract is coming to an end.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 1:09 am |
That may be however, some companies are starting to enforce the ban against employing Filipinos due to the CENTCOM directive. May companies knowingly are violating the prohibition of having TCNs on payroll whose countries ban working in Afghan or Iraq. Another thing being enforced is the DOD directive of who can work in communication shops…no TCNs or LNs. Many Filipinos are still in country with no VISA. Some are being smuggled through KAF to Qatar (via mil air); that’s the only way they can get out of country. Now, many of the reputable companies don’t have a problem with the VISA however, they are violating the CENTCOM directive and looking the other way because the Filipinos are still coming into the country from vacations when they shouldn’t be coming back at all. There has been do directive like Iraq, which allows the one in country to stay until their contract is over. That is not the case in AFGHAN.
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 3:20 am |
Who the hell cares about Filipino’s…why were they even brought up in this posting??
Tuesday, October 26th 2010 at 4:31 pm |
I think there’s a reason your contract is coming to an end. Operations Manager?? My a$s; you may want to start off as a plumber’s assistant, moron. I bet you were with KBR and if so, your about as talented as roadkill. I know you’ll probably come back with some other company but I know the majority of companies and a true Operations Manager would know how to get a job other than a blogsite. Good luck and set your sights for something more suited to your talents…street sweeper? I assure you, we will be looking for your resume.
Wednesday, October 27th 2010 at 1:02 am |
HAHAHAHA…that’s the best response I’ve read all day, too funny. Have a great day What!
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 7:32 pm |
I got a call from the flour recruiter for an LOG CAP position in Afghanistan. I have a few questions if anyone could answer them I would greatly appreciate it. Im an electrician by the way
1. How safe is it really working inside a military base?
2. Is there internet available for personal use?..(email, chat, with family back home etc.)
3. Do cell phones work inside the military base?
anything would help to make a decision.
Thanks!
Friday, November 5th 2010 at 11:00 pm |
JD, to answer your questions –
1 – Yes it’s dangerous, you’re in a war zone with an enemy that’s getting bolder by the year (some bases are quieter than others but it’s been getting progressively nasty out here in terms of IDF & direct assault attacks, especially in the south and on the AF/PAK border).
2 – Depends where you work – Fluor’s network blocks any kind of web email service and some sites have yanked the ‘free’ line they used to use. Where this really sucks is on posts where you avoid using the regular MWR phone/computer room because you don’t want to take up a space a soldier could be using (some bases Management expressly forbids LOGCAP contractors from using the military MWR phone/computer room). Some major HUB’s have an AAFES contracted ISP (they’re a joke but it’s something right?). Most places have a group of folks that band together, pitch in and get a dish for their own private internet (just don’t sell any service to the military and don’t make a profit on it! Serious conflict of interest there.)
3 – Again depends where you’re at. Some places the phones work 24/7, others switch off the signal between 18:00 and 06:00. A majority of the FOB/COB’s have absolutely no signal unless you stand in a certain area in some position that would make a Cirque du Soleil contortionist blush.
If you’re a licensed Electrician you should be in like Flynn, but judging from the comments above you’re in for a bit of a wait.
Saturday, November 6th 2010 at 11:44 pm |
Hey thanks dusty for the info!! So basically I wont know until I get there. I don’t know what you mean about Flynn. I’m a license electrician.
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 4:39 am |
every one should not talk down about flour or any other company we are all trying to make some ahnest money , I sent my application to flour and i am waiting for a responce from them , and if all you do i wine then just dont work for them all i have read is people putting each other down or smart remarks this is not the way to get along and this why some are out of a job , and thier is nothing wrong with hiring a felon as long as they do not have any thing really serious , no one is perfect and every one makes mistakes , and flour looks for any felonies from a seven year prior , so just get along people.
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 5:50 am |
Yes there is a problem if you have a felony because……that’s the DoD rules. I guess the seriousness of the felony is a matter of perspective of whether or not you are the victim or the offender.
Sunday, November 7th 2010 at 4:54 am |
does any one know how long it takes for a recruiter to get back to you after sending a applaction for a job posting ? and what are the main things that will not allow you to get the job , this would really help me to know , I do know it is dangerous but it is some thing i would like to do and complete my contract and not waist thier time , I have heard many people just turn around , I dont want to do that , I set me a goal to do and not be a quiter , thanks to all info.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 2:43 pm |
Hi there, to all those people talking down to or off FN’s.
Since you’ve been moaning about FN’s being placed in your american tax payers position, did you not ever consider being second best for that specific job title,since I’ve also been in Iraq for 3 years and have first hand experience with most of the lazy pricks in high positions who were not FN’s.
What do all you tax payers have to say about that?
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 2:48 pm |
I guess we will find out.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 2:51 pm |
I guess we will.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 2:50 pm |
Dear Alfred,
You said it man, Why can’t everybody just get along and do their job because it is because of the moaners that the whole middle east work project is where it is.
If they can just do their job which is assigned to them and not ask someone to do it for them because they can’t, just try.
Keep politics out and just get over there and knock out your time and get back to your families.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 6:08 pm |
FN
The only good FN’s are the Brits other then that they are trash taking are taxpayer dollars. You do not see any Philipino soldiers fighting this war, you do not see any Bosnians fighting this war, You do not see any Indian soldiers fighting this war, I will come out very clearly they are worthless bloodsucking leaches living off the American tax system and these companys along with the US governement should be ashamed of themselves.
Sunday, November 21st 2010 at 5:43 am |
Eric
Well man, I’m sorry you feel that way because just the same as you everybody else is trying to make a living.
And I’m not talking about who is fighting the war, look hats off to the soldiers doing their job man, they are heroes. I’m talking about the people who is actually working for companies as a contractor such as KBR, FLUOR, DYNCORP. And just to notify you, mostly all of the FN’s does have taxes to pay when they get back home it’s just not as much as the American tax system. Maybe some of the FN’s you’ve met or came accross are trash well let me tell you not all of them are the same and believe me I’ve met some of those FN’s even from my own country. I’ve been givin more recommendation letters by the US companies than I have certificates so never judge people in quantity because you don’t know all of them.
Sunday, November 21st 2010 at 6:41 am |
You must be from the Balkans Im guessing FN, some of these guys are great people but I am still paying for there salarys with my taxes. Your taxes do not go back to the United States the country who is paying for this war. Your taxes go back to your country that has not sent a dime over here. Besides I have not found one Balkan who can bend a piece of Conduit or even make job look half way presentable. YOU ARE NOT A QUALIFIED ELECTRICIAN IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE A FREAKING PIPE BENDER.
Sunday, November 21st 2010 at 3:29 pm |
I agree. Americans are paying for this war and should have the first shot at the jobs. I don’t even want to hear about how much cheaper FN’s are to hire. The DoD has proven time and time again they could care less about cost savings. Allowing the contractors to hire FN’s especially when they use labor brokers ehuman trafficking and abuses. And…from an electricians point of view, unless you have been trained to the National Electrical Code and certified or licensed in the States then you are not equal to an American electrician to work on a US military facility that requires work to be done to the National Electrical Code.
Monday, November 22nd 2010 at 12:10 pm |
Eric,
Actually I’m South African and you are right I’m not an electrician but I do know how to use a pipe bender.
I’m actually a Mechanic by trade and also did my apprenticeship as a Boilermaker with journeyman’s licenses in both, O, and just recently finshed my Coded Welder certification of 42 weeks.
Do you know what really gets to me? When I ask a “qualified welder” to make a u-notch in a piece of steel and follow with a vertical up weld, and it ends up looking like bird s*it. O, and by the way he was American(apparently been qualified for 20 years).
I don’t know if you knew this but in my 3/4 years working internationally I came accross a load of guys being pulled in at Airports for ducking taxes even fleeing from their own Countries for ducking taxes.
O, and guees what? They were all American so don’t give me that crap about giving back to your country or keeping this war alive, just as you can not be specific I can’t either.
How you doin?
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 6:27 pm |
Fluor sent out emails yesterday to all the USA electricians that if you do not have a STATE Journeymans LICENSE by the end of your contract your out of here including myself. Im in the same boat with a ton of these guys who went through there 4 year apprenticeship recognized through the US department of labor. The only problem there are many of states that there are no license such as New York, Missouri, Illinois and the handsful I dont know about. There hiring website clearly explains licensed journeymen electrician or Certification approved by a state or a local Jurdiction. Nice of Fluor to give me a notice with only 2 months left on my contract. Might look into legal action when I go home just dont know where to start looking.
Saturday, November 20th 2010 at 6:24 am |
Eric I agree. There are many states that do not have a State License. They have City licenses or no license or certification at all. That doesn’t mean an electrician didn’t go through a State JATC approved apprenticeship or training program. I know the push is on for licensed (or equiv) journeyman only but this amounts to discrimination because you are from a certain State. We don’t hire electricians from New York, Missouri, Illinois etc. Not to mention they will be losing a lot of good journeyman. Can they afford that?
Keep me posted on this issue. There may be cause for a Class Action here.
Saturday, November 20th 2010 at 6:53 am |
Ms Sparky
For some reason Im trying to send you a email but it will not go through. I sent emails to a couple Law firms on your page which one do you recommend talking to? If you could send me a personal email.
Thanks Sister
Saturday, November 20th 2010 at 8:45 am |
Sorry for the email issues. I sent you an email at the email address you left here.
Friday, November 19th 2010 at 6:43 pm |
I won’t go as far as saying they are blood sucking leaches however, Canadians are also considered FNs and they’re our neighbors. I think your point is that the FNs that are being hired are being hired on the cheap and without consequence to the requirements required of a U.S contractor. That’s the real issue. Fluor’s master plan is to release almost 30% of the US force by Dec/Feb time frame.
Saturday, November 20th 2010 at 6:28 am |
I know that ALL non American workers are called FN’s including those from coalition countries. Bring in skilled electricians or other skills from England or Canada or where ever is not my issue. I am not mistaken the pay is close. My issue is bringing in thousands of unskilled workers from SE Asia or some other 3rd world country and paying them pennies a day and having them replace skilled workers from America or the coalition countries.
Saturday, November 20th 2010 at 6:35 am |
Fluor is in a big bucket of hot water. Major equipment that was signed off by ACO’s has not gone to those camps but instead just shipped to other camps without any paperwork.This has happen with at least 5 6K forklifts at 104 thousand dollars each it seems it is fraud. Then Bagram is shipping out damaged equipment like a new crash truck to FOB Shank that had the snorkle destroyed. This was 5 weeks ago. A US Army General saw the truck and now is questioning Fluor’s practices. This is what happens when you keep KBR management in place. Why are these vehicles being sent out without proper purchasing and not in a FMC status? I am speaking about vehicles that are supposed to be BRAND NEW!
Saturday, November 20th 2010 at 7:14 am |
Read the job discription for most Fluor jobs posted, take note of the bottom of page where the intervew will take place, im not sure the ratio or expats to FN some say 23-26% expats maybe the FBR stock wil go public soon.