Comments on: Ruling bars lawsuit in Iraq fuel convoy injury

By: Jenifer Shockley

Jenifer Shockley — Tue, 18 May 2010 00:29:31 +0000

I see Sgt. Carmichael when I visit my mother, a WWII veteran, at the Atlanta VA. His condition is devastating.

By: Tattoo

Tattoo — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:30:14 +0000

If you did not sign or circled No on having 8 hours of rest, than you were pulled from the mission. When the form was first implemented, a copy had to be given to the Military C2 who was required to review the document.

If the driver circled No, we would verify the driver’s schedule and determine if they had indeed received the required 8 hours off. If is the driver’s responsibility to notify his leadership that due to the time he/she was released, they would not be able to receive 8 hours off.

In early to mid 2004, the average Bulk Fuel driver had a lot of time on their hands between missions due to an abundance of drivers.

By: Krash

Krash — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:20:24 +0000

It’s just another way for KBR to CYA especially when it comes to convoy hours worked!! I’m betting if you didn’t sign the “rest sheet” you were sent home for some BS excuse.

Anyone confirm this??

By: Tattoo

Tattoo — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:49:02 +0000

We did not start using the 8 Hour Rest sheet until 2006.
It is not a Federal document – It is an internal KBR TTM document and is proprietary as stated in the footer.

Ms Sparky’s Response:
So before that KBR could run their drivers 24/7 without rest and without any responsibility for their safety or the safety of the convoy?

By: Jims thoughts

Jims thoughts — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:14:02 +0000

Wonder if someone can look up contributions to the judges campaign and associated charities.

Ms Sparky’s Response:
Well well…..you might be on to something there.

By: ms sparky

ms sparky — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:25:53 +0000

KBR’s latest Press Release.

http://www.kbr.com/news/press_releases/2009/07/06/Federal_Appellate_Court_Issues_Significant_Ruling_in_Contractor_on_the_Battlefield_Case.aspx

I’m sure KBR is doing the “happy dance” in Houston!

I don’t know all the specifics of this case. But I feel bad for the family all the same.

By: Barry

Barry — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:45:57 +0000

Mr. Putnam of the Associated Press wrote :

“The opinion said the suit was barred by “the political question doctrine.”

I feel strongly the court would be more accurate if they said the suit is barred by political corruption that includes the judicial system.

By: Krash

Krash — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:54:20 +0000

The driver(s) may have been fully rested before going out on convoy, but how long into the shift/convoy did the incident occur??

There were many times that it took over 20 hours to get from Camp A to Camp B with no “authorized” breaks, unless you want to count being stopped on the MSR waiting for EOD to clear the road, while you sit in the drivers seat waiting for insurgents to appear out of the desert and open fire or mortars to start coming in because you are stopped out in the open, or IED’s to go off that EOD missed or the insurgents actually planted while you were sitting there and couldn’t see them.

What is this document that you say drivers are signing before going out on convoy? When did this policy start? If you are referring to the TSTI (Total Safety Task Instruction)sign-in sheet that had nothing to do with the amount of rest the drivers had before leaving on convoy.

My heart goes out to the family of the injured soldier, but when in a combat environment with a mix of military and civilians outside the wire there is just no way to determine who is actually in charge of what, and way to much finger pointing of who is actually in charge, especially when it comes to vehicle accidents on the MSR.

By: for-what-it's worth

for-what-it's worth — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:50:50 +0000

Before leaving on each convoy, the driver’s sign/initial a federal document stating that each driver was rested and able drive in this convoy – if the attorney’s would go back and gain access to these documents that KBR required the driver’s to sign/initial before leaving – and that particular driver signed/initialed that document and in fact lost control of the vehicle because of being tired -then, I would think that KBR would be liable? Please pass this on to the law firm handling that poor family’s attorney’s. God Bless his heart and his wife and family.

Ms Sparky’s Response:
THANK YOU!! I will do that. You never know. That might make a difference.