For the, and I am gonna guess here, 100,000+ Americans that have gone to Iraq and Afghanistan since 2003 to work for KBR…..here’s a news flash for you. YOU DIDN’T WORK FOR KBR!!! Now I can hear you already. “The hell I didn’t!! My badge said KBR. All policies and procedures said KBR. I processed in at KBR. I worked for KBR!” The sign in the photo says you did. But I am hear to tell you you didn’t. Some already know this, but I want to make sure everyone knows it, especially future employees. You DO NOT, DID NOT and WILL NOT work for KBR in Iraq or Afghanistan unless you already work for KBR in the States and are being transfered over. This is primarily reserved for very upper management positions with very few exceptions. Even most management positions in Iraq and Afghanistan worked for Overseas Administrative Services (OAS). Someone please tell me if I’m wrong!
You have not or will not sign anything in Houston that states you work for KBR. Check your contract. You actually work for a offshore shell company owned by KBR. To the best of my knowledge there are currently two offshore companies owned by KBR that are registered in the Cayman Islands. The largest and the one that the majority of us worked for is SEII or Service Employees International Incorporated. The other is Overseas Administrative Services.
I could go on and on about why they did that. But I am going to leave that to the pro’s. This article from the Boston Globe is by far the best I’ve found. It’s a little long but VERY VERY informative. Click HERE to read “Top Iraq contractor skirts US taxes offshore” by Farah Stockman; Glove Staff; March 6, 2008.
Most people who went to work in Iraq and Afghanistan truly thought they were going to work for KBR. It was quite a shock when we found out we didn’t.
I understand many former KBR/SEII employees are having some difficulty getting a Verification of Employment (VOE) for the time they spent working for KBR/SEII in Iraq, Afhganistan, Dubai and Kuwait. I went through this when I was being process for a clearance. If someone needs a VOE …do not call Houston. They will claim you never worked for KBR. You will need to contact KBR/SEII/OAS.
Update: On July 27, 2008 I sent an email to the address below asking them to verify it was the correct information for a Verification of Employment (VOE). It was verified as the correct contact information.
res.kbr.dubai.voehotline@kbr.com
Dubai, UAE contact information:
Tel” +9714-313-7444
Al Moussa Tower 1
8th Floor
P.O. Box 120727
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
KBR Payroll in Dubai 1-866-704-9794
I think this is a down right out deceptive hiring practice. A lot of people say it is the fault of the person who signed the contract. But who would ask “Am I really working for KBR or am I working for some offshore shell company?” Who would think to ask that? Everything about the whole process leads you to believe you are going to work for KBR.
From a document I obtained from a Texas Unemployment Claim, KBR insists that “KBRTS acted as an agent for recruiting, travel and visa processing for SEII and KBRTS was not the last employer.” Click HERE to read the entire letter.
Oh please correct me if I’m wrong….but this level of hiring deception would not be allowed to go on in the States. The lawyers would be all over this.
I am working very very hard to make sure the laws are changed so that all laws that apply in the US, such as OSHA and labor laws apply to US citizens working for US contractors on US government funded projects around the world. This includes US Embassies, US Consulates, US military facilities, USAID projects and others. Not just Iraq and Afghanistan.
YOU WILL SCREW US OVER NO MORE!!!!
Ms Sparky
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I remember when I found out that I wasn’t working for KBR. Someone was talking about not getting paid time and a half for overtime. Someone else said that violated American labor laws. Another person told them to pull out their pay stubs and look at who paid them. It said SEII and the address was in Dubai. Then that person told us the labor laws don’t apply since we worked for a company out of Dubai.
Quite the eyeopener.
Ms Sparky’s Response:
That is by far the most deceptive hiring practice I have ever witnessed.
In the end it’s not about the money. It’s about the opportunity we had to serve our troops in Iraq. We were paid well for what we did. 84 hours per week=enough money, who cares about not getting time and a half when soldiers are fighting for us!
More:
http://www.hoovers.com/free/co/news/detail.xhtml?ID=111095&ArticleID=200807241450AP______NEWS_____cca5003d3f76e38e_AP&source_type%5B%5D=
hope the link works here!
Ms Sparky’s Response:
This is a link to an AP article dated July 24, 2008 that state…”Last month, President Bush signed legislation that prevents defense contractors, such as KBR Inc. and Combat Support Associates, from avoiding Social Security and Medicare taxes by setting up subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands.”
Thanks
Ok so the white house knows this is going on and they only moved to stop it and not make reparations to those screwed over by these thieves…
At the end of the day weren’t you really doing the job for the money? Would it have made a difference in your decision? Previously you wrote you left overseas to return home because your convicted fellon daughter was headed off to prison. So it seems, who the employer is doesn’t really matter, does it now?
Ms Sparky’s Response:
First of all…I make on average of $70K a year in the States so going to Iraq for $80 doesn’t seem to make much sense now does it. This is the first time I am admitting this publicly, because I am embarrassed about it. I made $14.90/hour. I believe all craft made $14.90/hour. Everything was straight time…no overtime. So I worked 84 hours a week at $14.90/hour plus 50% uplift on the first 40 hours per week. I made about $6000/mo. So….I really don’t think money was my motivation. KBR is the lowest paying contractor in Iraq. So that kind of blows a hole in your theory now doesn’t it!
I’m not sure what the second half of your comment means because it doesn’t really make sense. But this is why I left Iraq. 1. They thought I was having a heart attack and the Dr in Dubai attributed it to stress and said it was time to go home. That was in April. My second year was up at the end of July and I decided to stick it out. My daughters trial was scheduled for August 3. She plead guilty..no tiral.
I’m not sure what your agenda was for bringing my daughter into this but let me tell you something. I am VERY proud of my felon daughter. (By the way you misspelled felon). She is working at the Oregon DMV and lives in the Honor’s Ward. She is doing great and I feel very lucky that she is in prison. There are many parents out there who cannot visit there kids every weekend and give them a hug and kiss and talk to them on the phone. They have to go visit their kids in the cemetery and hug a cold headstone because…Meth kills. I very well could be one of the luckiest mom’s in the world!
I hope that clarifies things for you.
Thanks for reading.
Ms Sparky
Point is truthfulness.
It’s a guess on my part, being that you are intelligent you took advantage of the tax exclusion for working out of the US. Perhaps you even didn’t mind not having to pay into Social Security and Medicare as permitted by our tax laws. I agree $10K is not worth leaving your family for an extended period. But when the tax advantage adds another $20K, I suspect the decision gets a little harder. Balancing family and work can certainly be difficult.
I guess I’ve just been trying to figure out your motivation against KBR.
Ms Sparky Responds:
Are you a reporter? An Attorney? Writing a book? A therapist? KBR? What’s your motivation to find out what my motivation is? If money was my motivation, I would have applied to anyone but KBR. EVERYONE paid more. I wanted to support our troops. That was my motivation. What else can a 44 year old woman do for her country. I found out who the logistics contractor was and applied. I knew nothing about KBR. After I applied I did some checking. They seemed like an OK company. I didn’t care about tax free. I had no idea about this whole shell company SEII thing until after the fact. That was the first deception. And my motivation isn’t AGAINST KBR my motiviation is promote the truth. If you were there at my level you would know what I am talking about. If you were there at a managerial level, it’s quite possible you don’t have a clue what I am talking about. If you weren’t there at all…you just can’t imagine. Don’t take it from me. Read the other comments. From people that were there and still are there.
My motivation is the best interest of the USA.
Our great country faces many challenges, such as foreign oil dependence, and unfortunately we need Congress to help reverse laws they’ve put on the books which have gotten us in this position. They can’t hardly do this when they are wasting valuable time and money trying to fabricate a story to blame big business.
War is very ugly, unpleasant, and costly. With past military manpower reductions mandated by Congress, we should be thankful that companies like KBR, Flour, Perini and Parsons have stepped up to the plate to fill the voids and provide support. I hear our politicians and the media all to often make misleading and negative statements about the integrity of these international companies; however, I’ve yet to hear any soldiers complaining about the support from KBR. I suspect they very much appreciate you and your coworkers for voluntarily going to support them and recognize most are doing the best they can with what they have.
An no, I’m not writing a book. Are you hoping for a book deal?
imfarmerte, I can give you another point of view. I went to Iraq because I needed a job. After being laid off twice, I decided the civilian world wasn’t for me. From 1984 to 1999, I had been employed by the military as either active duty or a contractor. Four years of that time was with a company called Vinnell/Brown & Root (hmm, sound familiar?). The only reason I had left that world was to be near my mother.
When I was laid off in July of 2004, I figured working for Kellogg/Brown & Root was just the ticket. It’s what I’d done for twenty years and the pay was great. I knew I’d work a minimum of eighty-four hours a week in primitive conditions, and I was fine with that. I did not realize until much later that I wasn’t really working for KBR or paying into Social Security or Medicare. I did not know that American labor laws didn’t apply. It felt like a betrayal.
However, I stayed for 2 1/2 years, so you can guess that it was something I adjusted to. Yes, for me, the money was a big part of it. So was the fear that if I went back to the States I wouldn’t be able to find a job. So was the fact that I was making life for the deployed military much better than it could have been. I love the military; it’s my familiar world.
Unlike Ms. Sparky, I made three times what I made in the States. It was still only a little less than $18 an hour (I wasn’t in the Trades) but when you multiply that by eighty-four hours a week it’s damn good. Besides, what else was I going to do with all those hours in the middle of the desert? Not like I could go to the mall.
Working for KBR was a blessing for which I’m grateful and a curse that I wish I could fix. It didn’t have to be the way it was, and I want it to change for those who are still over there.
And in the spirit of honesty, I AM writing a book. It’s a very positive one about how I met my husband in Iraq, not an expose on KBR. And I don’t need to hope for a book deal. I know how to query agents.
Ms Sparky’s Response:
I don’t have time to write a flipin’ book!! But…..I wish you the best on yours and am requesting in advance….an autographed copy!
Could you folks recommend any companies working in Iraq or Afghanistan? I’m in the same catagory as above, living in an area with little employment opportunities and laid off. Anybody else want to weigh in on KBR (or it’s offshore companies)? I appreciate all the above comments.
Ms Sparky’s Response:
What do you do? What is your skill? I won’t recommend any company, but I will let you know who’s over there.
Wishwords,
Thanks for another perspective. As I try to view the world through the eyes of others, I find it amazing that someone would start a new job and not scrutize their first pay statement. Outside my 11 years in the military, I’ve only work overseas under a joint-venture company once. The one year assignment turned into 3-1/2. I took no exception to not paying into Social Security and Medicare figuring I still had lots of working years to maximize the 40 credits upon which my SS benefits would based. I divert the “extra income” to my personal retirement plan.
Regarding US companies with work overseas, the global companies don’t use offshore companies in the Camen Islands to hide or to screw their employees; they use them to provide their customers with the best price following the law. Requiring companies and employees working overseas to pay-in to SS, is no problem for the companies. They merely increase the labor rates they charge their customers and deduct the 7.65% from what they pay their employees. (So for the cost reimburseable work in IRAQ, it means my taxes need to cover the increased cost of the war effort!) The change recently signed into law was NOT to benefit the employees, but increase the money into Social Security pool of today. So, I’m not certain why feel working for KBR was curse that you wish you could fix. I won’t be eligible for SS benefits for another 19 years – I’m not counting on anything in that pot when I get there!
Best wishes on your book.
- IamFarmerTE
PS – I met my wife overseas!
I am a 48yr old ex Infantryman that has spent all of my adult life in the Army. When I retired in 01 I was called back in 03 and deployed to Iraq came back and then deployed after requesting to go to Afghanistan. I stayed in the Army until I was granted a release to the inactive reserve in 05. I got a CDL and bought my own truck and now that the price of fuel is so high I have parked my rig and applied to KBR to drive Heavy Trucks for them in Afghanistan. When I was soldiering weather it was in Kosavo or Bosnia or Iraq or Afghanistan KBR was always there and if it was not for this great company and the even greater people filling its ranks let me tell any one who is reading this, the duty would have been 100 times harder and a lot more unpleasent than it was in any of those wonderful (HA,HA) locations. I will be going to Houston at the end of this month and I am looking forward to serving the men and woman in the coalition just like those great KBR folks did for me when I was a soldier. If you asked me, any one who has the skill the know how and experiance to get a job with any of the companies that are supporting our troops in any of the theaters that we are engaged should count it as their patriotic duty to try their best to do so. Besides the pay really is not that bad, just think of the private,PFC,SPC or even the junior NCO’s pay while you in many ways do the same job that they are trained for and getting around ten times more for doing it.
Ms Sparky’s Response:
First, thank you for serving our country, we are better for it.
Second, please be informed before you go to work for KBR or any other LOGCAP contractor in Iraq or Afghanistan. Check out this site for more information. http://www.americancontractorsiniraq.org/
Third, to expect that you will have to same level of leadership working for a private contractor in Iraq or Afghanistan will probably cause you some disappointment.
We are just trying to find out why soldiers are being electrocuted in their showers, in the pool or washing their vehicles. I feel our soldiers deserve that.
It is only my personal opinion, but I strongly recommend you reconsider driving truck in Iraq or Afghanistan. You’ve served your country and lived…why push it?
Thank you for your comments.
Ms Sparky
Hello Ms Sparky
I have a master electrical license and have worked in or around the trade for 35 years. I recently decided to check into working in Iraq or Afganistan. I like the idea of tax free income. I have read some of the info on your site, VERY INTERESTING. I had no idea of shell companies paying no ss benefits or medicare.I would appreciate the list of companies you mentioned earlier that pay better.
Thank you in advance
P.S. Grounding is one of the least understood sections of the code and one of the most important.It was sad to hear of all the deaths.
JW
Ms Sparky’s Response:
In July 2008 laws went into affect that made shell companies liable for payroll taxes. In talking with friends still in Iraq, SS and medicare are being deducted from their checks. I can only assume the KBR/SEII is paying their share. I still do not know about unemployment taxes. I am trying to find out.
As far as pay goes, KBR/SEII recently raised their wages to a respectable level. It is still unverified, but a Licensed Master Electrician could make approx 12K/month. I am working to verify that.
Hi,
So I currently work for the Federal Govt’ but I am only 25 years old. The job I do now is not that enjoyable and there’s NO way I wanna do it until retirement. However, If I leave it for a alloted amount of time it will still be here for me if i decide to return.
Anyway, I have been looking into to private security companies I.E. CSA and KBR and actually had a job offer with one of them to leave remotely soon if I choose to, as I have much weapons, military, and Law Enforcment background even though I am young.
I have read pretty much every comment that was left on this page and I semi-understand the overseas payment plan and lack of SS / medicare. However, for some as young as myself is it really a HUGE concern? The companies seem to pay WELL and take care of there people fairly well. If i was to go work for a company for 1, 2, 3, or 10 years I could still come back to the states at a descently young age with lots of money in the pocket and invested. I would still have the time to get another gvt job and get a retirement from them.
The way I see it is that if you handle your money correctly you can make up for the lost SS / Medicare plus as many of us already know, there is a VERY GOOD chance that SS and Medicare arent going to be around for my age group anyway….so whats the lose?
My reason’s for wanting to work for these companies isn’t just money alone as it is a nice PLUS. This gives me time and money to get rid of any and all bills, plus getting rid of many future ones as well. I will have plenty of time to attend college and get a degree all the while given the situation I will be able to stay better focused. It also gives me a chance to travel throughtout Asia, Europe, etc. The two main reason however are to support the military as I know the feeling of this already since being in the military and for the experience. When i say for the experience its to enhance my resume and possibly help me get another or different Govt’ job back in the states.
I have been trying to do my homework on these companies and to ensure myself that its something I wanna do. If anyone has any advice please feel free to let me know. Perhaps a certain company to work for, where I should steer towards the end of my first contract, and anything else you may wanna tell me?
Also, I was reading into a few of the OverSeas Job Applicantions and a few of the Shell compainies I.E. CSA state that you should check with a local tax person or official in regards to taxes possibly affecting you later. Does anyone have any idea what they mean by this or has anyone ran into any problems upon returning to the states after working for a overseas contract company where you were getting a Tax Free pay check and it turning around to bite you in the #%^ once you returned home? I.E. IRS or anyone trying to call you and get money back they say the should have gotten?
Anyway, all these different companies and drama talk can really put a damper on someone and make them start thinking twice Yada Yada So all the info I can get would be AWESOME!! Either post a forum back here or contact me at
Correctional_Thinking@yahoo.com
Thanks!!
Ms Sparky’s Response:
Thanks for the comment. First, KBR/SEII as of July is required to pay into SS/Medicare. Second, as far as taxes go, only a xertain amount is tax free. Get a tax person that is familiar with overseas workers. I use Kiwi Tax in Florida. Third, if you can go to work for any other than KBR do it. KBR is a last resort.
P.S. Does anyone know anything about CSA or worked for them in the Past possibly? Dont know a whole lot about them?
Thanks
Ms Sparky’s Response:
I don’t know anything about them.
Hi, My husband is working for SEII in Kuwait.
How can I find the company’s website or phone number?
Ms Sparky’s Response:
I would think your husband could get that info for you. There is no SEII website. It’s all KBRJob.com.
SEII has their main office in Dubai. Start with this info below. The email address is SEII.
res.kbr.dubai.voehotline@kbr.com
Dubai, UAE contact information:
Tel” +9714-313-7444
Al Moussa Tower 1
8th Floor
P.O. Box 120727
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
let me be blunt it’s a shell company for tax reasons
it is in the contract when you sign it
Ms Sparky’s Response:
The recruiters do not offer this info. I was told in Houston, SEII was just the company that handled the payroll. No big deal. Liars!! It’s a sneaky underhanded tactic. You shouldn’t have to be a damn labor lawyer to go to work for KBR/SEII. KBR developed this shell company to avoid paying payroll taxes such as medicare and social security. They avoided hundreds of millions in payroll taxes. It was so underhanded and low down that President Bush signed a new law making it illegal. It went into affect in July. And yes…employees now pay their fair share of these taxes, but so does KBR!
really, reserved for upper management I transferred back to the States
from Iraq and on disability leave on top hmm i guess it pays to have friends in the right places the PM, DPM, and GSM of anaconda just to name a few see it pays to take care of the base commander of a FOB who happens to be the friends with the PM
Ms Sparky’s Response:
Are you trying tell me that you are suck up?
i need implowment cervication sent to This Email address: XXXXX@gmail.com
Ms Sparky’s Response:
For Verification of Employment (VOE) email the address below.
res.kbr.dubai.voehotline@kbr.com
Dubai, UAE contact information:
Tel” +9714-313-7444
Al Moussa Tower 1
8th Floor
P.O. Box 120727
Dubai, United Arab Emirates
I really don’t see how anyone could work for a copmany that deosn’t care about it’s people as much as it does ripping off the government. I know some of you former employees know what I’m talking about. If not then how about this. KBR charges the goverment $33 per meal per person. Even if you just come in for a cup of coffee, they will get their money. By the way they are serving the same food that the military uses as A rations, so it’s just a heat and serve package. I don’t remember any of the mess-hall charging me that much to eat a meal. Another instance is how can KBR charge the government $90 for a case of soda? I don’t want to hear that it was shipped from the US becasue it has Arabic all over it. Cut KBR and we can cut the expense of the wars in half!!!
The KBR supervisor mentioned,understands how things work! I’m wondering what department he supervised and which site!
Ms Sparky’s Response:
It says Anaconda which would be Iraq. I wonder how well he’s fairing with that new medical leave program.
I was told by the Combat Support Associates recruiter that if I work as a force protection officer for them in Kuwait that I will not have to pay taxes on my wages that I earn there. I was wondering if any of you know if that is the truth or not. I checked on the IRS website and it says there that civilian contractors have to pay taxes on wages even if they are working in a combat zone.
Ms Sparky’s Response:
It was very smart that you started asking questions.
1. I am assuming you are an American Citizen.
2. What is your annual salary, including housing. The IRS has just started nailing people who are housed in hotels and apartments. They are considering this compensation.
3. Is CSA a US based company or are they out of the Cayman Islands? As of July 2008 even US shell companies out of the Cayman Islands are forced to may SS and medicare taxes and therefore you will to no matter how long you are there.
4. Only a portion of your salary is tax free (I believe the first 90K, don’t quote me and that includes housing) IF you stay out of the US for 330 days out of 365 consecutive days. After the first 90K the rest istaxed at the higher rate.
All you overseas tax experts chime in.
Go to http://www.irs.gov and get Publication 54 – Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad.
It is in typical IRS “legalese” but it should answer most questions.
Ms Sparky’s Response:
Thanks
Well as a SEII employee i can say that i have seen all kinds of fraud waste and abuse on both sides KBR and the Military.Everything from leaving perfect living quarters with running water and showers for the Iraqis while our military lives in tents and no running water.To KBR over charging the Gov. for everything they do but you have to understand this is a cost plus contract that is bid on yearly and the gov.knows KBR is over charging and yet they continue to be awarded the contracts.But hey if you have ever worked in Iraq and seen the PWC trucks all over you do know that the C is for Chaney as in Dick Chaney the former Vice President oh and the same one that used to be on the board of directers for Halliburton think about that.
Ms Sparky’s Response:
And all this time I thought it stood for “Company” as in Public Warehousing Company. I’dike to see that connection drawn out.
Flour is doing the same thing KBR does…..It’s doing the majority of it’s hiring in the Balkans. Too bad for Americans….HOUAH
There goes hire Americans first!!! It must be better for these companies to prop up the other countries economy with US tax money before helping ours here at home? Cheap labor??
…I understand why you are the way you are…i finally gave in to read your profile, I know who you are..HAHA…you really should stop being so hateful to KBR..you were the worst offender! you may not have got fired but you were definetly not the top dog you claim…do ing it for your country..BS! but your Union roots give you away, they have brainwashed you and all the other union workers into thinking your some how better then non union…again BS! once you left the shelter of your little Oregon Clique..you were like the rest of us..and you couldnt preform…I KNOW WHO YOU ARE NOW! my memory is very vivid…and you should have been skidded the day you got to Houston…just like the rest of the trash that blew in from the unions…im from oregon too…IBEW is such a sham..over charging for everything..clean up your own back yard befor you worry about mine……I wish you would do some studying in media presentation..because you are dupping so many little cry babies and giving them this false sense of meaning by always dumping on KBR..most of them got fired!
But Yeah, Electrician from Portland…Im from newberg..and I remeber meeting you and walking away with a sense of WOW, that chick slipped thru the cracks… and now this is just a fitting place to spew your hatred…perfect…try doing some good, eh? and why do you have KBR’s market progress on your page? pathetic little instagator MAN Im so glad i figured out who you were…makes all this bashing so much more understandable…KBR wanted you out and you used medical to leave…LOL typical cop out.
BYE see you as another e-mail poster…can you figure out who I am.
Medical leave? I didn’t leave on Medical leave. You didn’t work with me at KBR or Portland, and I’ve never claimed to be top dog anywhere and I’ve NEVER been in clique. So you are just jacking your jaws trying to stir the pot. This blog has NEVER been a Union vs Non-Union blog. If you would read it you would understand that. But you are so ANTI Union you can’t get past the fact that I am Union.
All I can say is:
Were all the SparkyGroopies sleeping in Houston when they explained the KBR/SEII relationship? The tax issues? Overtime? (no time+1/2) Uplifts?
I grasped the KBR/SEII concept the second day in and I find it hard to believe that 7+ years into this project the mouth-breathers still lack comprehension…but most of those doing the whining thought/think KBR and LOGCAP is/was one big union shop in the land of the perpetual coffee break anyway..
Even though I had my issues in theater with the company, KBR nonetheless delivered (for me as an employee) on all they said they would and I have nothing detrimental to say about them.
Sorry to disappoint you lefty-antiwar freaks…
Glad to hear it. I’m not sure when you went through Houston, but when I went through in 2004 at least in my group of 400+ the whole SEII information was conveniently not discussed. And it still appears to be of some confusion. You must just be smarter than most!
Dang Sparky, looks like your armor got dent a bit at the hands of Devil Dog. I have never seen you so lost for words. I was expecting an explosive reply, normally your come back is major denial when someone one calls you out and you are not sure who they are or what they know. Your response was troubling.
How in the world do you get a employment verfication if you so called worked for KBR/ SEII… its there any current email address or contact numbers.. I can call please help!!!
http://mssparky.com/2010/02/kbr-logcap-verification-of-employment-voe-and-2009-w-2-info/
Got mine, no sweat….